The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Gligarman » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:12 pm

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Gligarman wrote:What if Raditz never came to Earth? Would Piccolo have ever had a chance to reform? Would he have even needed to since he never seemed to have any real desire to kill anyone other than Goku?
Raditz never coming to earth would prevent a whole lot of stuff. Piccolo would still strive to kill Goku, the invasion of Vegeta and Nappa never happens, Goku never dies thus never learns Kaioken etc. Basically Raditz coming to Earth is the birth of Dragon Ball Z.

The better "what if" question is, what if Raditz was given proper development and relevance. Him being part of the Z fighters would've been dope as hell to see as well, and him possibly killing Nappa instead of Vegeta to prove that he's not the same weak Raditz. Dunno but Raditz going so quick always feels like a wasted potential
If that happened then Goku and Raditz would have teamed up to beat Vegeta. I'm hoping Raditz is brought back during Super.

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Post by miguelnuva1 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:04 am

What if Gohan had a twin brother with his same potential but liked to fight and train like Goku?

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Post by nickzambuto » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:22 am

miguelnuva1 wrote:What if Gohan had a twin brother with his same potential but liked to fight and train like Goku?
He would have surpassed all the Gods and Angels ages ago.

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Post by Xeogran » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:54 pm

I'm not sure if this has been asked already:

What if Tenshinhan didn't stall Semi Perfect Cell? Would Cell then find and absorb #18 immediately, becoming Perfect before Vegeta and Trunks even arrive?

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Post by TobyS » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:13 pm

Xeogran wrote:I'm not sure if this has been asked already:

What if Tenshinhan didn't stall Semi Perfect Cell? Would Cell then find and absorb #18 immediately, becoming Perfect before Vegeta and Trunks even arrive?
Yes she only got away because he did.
Xv2 has this. They say without seeing Trunks and Vegetas relative improvement he'd never suggest the cell games and things would end badly.
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Post by Dragon Ball Gus » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:03 am

What if Goku fought Beerus on his birthday instead of Bulma's? (Same year)
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Post by Ice85 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:35 am

What if Vegeta achieved SSJ3 in the 7 year timeskip back in Z? Would he have still been controlled by Babidi
since he wants to become ruthless again and could SSJ3 Goku possibly win against a Majin SSJ3 Vegeta?

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Post by Sora Saiyan » Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:10 am

Ice85 wrote:What if Vegeta achieved SSJ3 in the 7 year timeskip back in Z? Would he have still been controlled by Babidi
since he wants to become ruthless again and could SSJ3 Goku possibly win against a Majin SSJ3 Vegeta?
He soon decided to give up on the ruthless thing once Buu came out, and even in his ‘ruthless’ form he felt bad for what had happened, and decided to sacrifice himself to protect others. So that part was basically a lie.

I don’t think he would have let himself be controlled by Babidi. What seemed to lead to him truly deciding that was realising Goku was above him when he briefly turned into a SSJ2 against Yakon, in this scenario he would be smug as hell about his power still. I think instead of giving into the spell he would just rush down to everyone in the base and kill them, at this point he had no interest in Buu, or anybody else besides Goku.

Well unless I’m forgetting something else, I think that should cover it.

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Post by kn83 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:29 am

I don't know if this was asked already but what if Goku didn't die during the Cell Games?

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Post by miguelnuva1 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:42 am

Ice85 wrote:What if Vegeta achieved SSJ3 in the 7 year timeskip back in Z? Would he have still been controlled by Babidi
since he wants to become ruthless again and could SSJ3 Goku possibly win against a Majin SSJ3 Vegeta?
1. Majin Vegeta never happens because Vegeta was say he expected Goku to reach ssj2 but he still has a secret that will beat Goku. Vegeta then resist Babidi and the saiyans defeat Dabura and stop Buy from waking up.

2. Vegeta after seeing Goku go ssj2 doesn't want to take chances and gets the majin boost. Events play out the same. Majin Vegeta goes ssj3 after realizing he can't beat Buy at ssj2. Buy is defeated and Goku goes back to the other world.

3. Sane as scenario 2 but ssj3 majin vegeta makes ssj3 goku's time run out. Ssj3 majin vegeta defeats Buy.

4. Same as scenario 3 but ssj3 Majin Vegeta uses final explosion and Buu is destroyed. M12 happens.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Dragon Ball Gus » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:43 am

What if Goku used Super Saiyan God through out all of Super and it never disappeared until the Universe Survival Arc? Also, What if Vegeta achieved SSG?
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Post by TruDovah » Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:44 pm

Let me try this again...Sadly, it didn't get much attention the first time I posted it... :(

What if, instead of destroying the incubating Cell....Embryo cells...Bulma convinced them to let her reprogram it to be good, or at least as good as it could be. She programs the computer to reconfigure the cellular structure in order to down-play the Frieza/King Cold DNA and to emphasize the DNA from the good guys, adding even more Saiyan DNA from Trunk and Gohan (I have not read anything that specifically states that they are already in him).
Also, let's assume she is able to speed up the growth process by including more Piccolo cells as well... Let's say he hatches sometime in the 7 year gap between Cell and Buu....
This could get really interesting...Might have to get MasakoX to cover this whatif!!

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Post by FoolsGil » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:19 pm

TruDovah wrote:What if, instead of destroying the incubating Cell....Embryo cells...Bulma convinced them to let her reprogram it to be good, or at least as good as it could be. She programs the computer to reconfigure the cellular structure in order to down-play the Frieza/King Cold DNA and to emphasize the DNA from the good guys, adding even more Saiyan DNA from Trunk and Gohan (I have not read anything that specifically states that they are already in him).
Also, let's assume she is able to speed up the growth process by including more Piccolo cells as well... Let's say he hatches sometime in the 7 year gap between Cell and Buu....
Made one slight change but for the most part, this is how it'd probably happen:

[spoiler]when Good Cell reveals himself full formed and perfect, everyone would freak out. Krillin actually forgot about the embryo, and was horrified because Bulma said she just wanted the embryo and Gero's stuff for study, not to reprogram. Bulma is unable to shout everyone down, even Vegeta would not mince words with her becoming just like Gero, but the Good Cell would be determined to prove himself. If I was to guess, all that extra mixed saiyan blood DNA would make him very naive, so he's going to show he's good by helping the elderly down the street, and rescuing cats from trees. Of course he's too busy trying to be good he doesn't have time to join the Budokai, but because of this, he was in the area of where Babidi touched down. It doesn't take long before Babidi reveals his intentions, so Good Cell commits to fight, at which Dabura comes out.

The two are evenly matched, and in desperation Dabura spits on Good Cell, who panics and becomes stone. Luckily, their fight was sensed by Goku, who hasn't met Good Cell yet, but sensed him fighting an evil foe, and IT'd to his location before Good Cell as completely sealed in stone. An exhausted Dabura is no match for Goku, who kills him in revenge for killing Good Cell. (While he hasn't met Good Cell, him fighting Dabura meant he was good to Goku) Good Cell is released from his stone form, and Babidi uses his magic to escape from Earth, vowing to find someone stronger than Dabura.

Back at the Budokai main area Goku takes Good Cell to the others and the two recap everything. Shin and Kibito who were listening in, and reveal themselves, and even Shin confirms Good Cell doesn't have a spec of evil energy, so even Vegeta can't be angry at Bulma anymore. Since the Budokai wasn't interrupted, everyone who was originally supposed to fight fights. The results of the tournament doesn't matter except Videl makes quick work of Spovovitch. And after the tournament, of course Goku and Good Cell are going to fight.

With Goku still dead, things go in a different direction. Because Videl never saw how big the world actually was, she and Gohan never got together though they stayed good friends. Gohan as a bachelor actually went back to training again due to a restlessness inside of him that wasn't quelled by becoming a scholar or being a superhero. Vegeta finally accepted his peace with Bulma and Trunks, but now that Good Cell is around, he can't help but use him as a sparring partner.

Good Cell being an intellectual as well as a warrior with an amalgamation of Saiyans, Namekians and Arcosians cells went on to work on experimentations to find out what he was capable of. With experimentation, Good Cell learned with the Fake Moon he could transform into a giant bug creature, and due to Namekian Regeneration he can use Kaioken for higher gains and for longer periods. But things went south when he combined his Great Bug and Kaioken x 50: He blew up, wiping out a quarter of the planet. He regenerated, and immediately helped the other Z fighters to find the dragonballs to restore the world, but the obvious distrust was too much to bear. Good Cell knew that no one will ever trust him again, so he left after the Earth was restored. Not needing to breathe, he went from galaxy to galaxy, helping inhabitants where he could, which is how he met Beerus and Whis. Good Cell was on One of the planets Beerus intended to blow up on his way to Super Saiyan God; Beerus was mad because the dinner for him was slightly burnt on one end. Good Cell pulled out almost everything he had but Beerus wasn’t even phased. So, thinking that better a portion of the planet was destroyed is better than the entire planet, Good Cell combined his Great Bug with Kaioken x 50 again. The resulting explosion caught Beerus off guard because he never seen such an attack before. That one moment cost Beerus, he was unable to defend himself and the explosion wounded him severely. Good Cell quickly regenerated and Beerus in his anger went to 100% power, but with his health failing, if Good Cell could keep up long enough, Beerus’s power would drop. But Whis stepped in, reversing time, knocking out Good Cell. Whis told Beerus what happened, and Beerus was so impressed, he decided to forget about blowing up the planet, or even the Saiyan God: He and Whis takes Good Cell to Beerus’ planet.

Freeza gets revived and trains to get his golden form, but when he completes his training, Babidi appears in front of him, and with one spell, Freeza and his goons were under Babidi’s thrall. Babidi went back to earth with his new armies, and it was a terrible battle for the faith of the Earth. Even Vegeta at SSJ2 couldn’t fight Majin Freeza’s first form: but it was all a distraction as Babidi went to get Buu’s egg, and with the energy from all the battles, quickly gained enough power for Buu. But, Buu in comparison to Majin Freeza was pathetically weak. But Buu being Buu noticed how powerful Freeza was in relation to him and felt a longing. Buu immediately attacked Freeza from behind, turning into a giant blob mass to absorb him. Being completely off guard, Freeza fell, and this new Buu-Freeza was born, and incredibly strong. It looked like he was going to eat everyone on Earth, but then Good Cell appeared with Whis and Beerus. Good Cell has always kept tabs on Earth this whole time, and checked in at an opportune time, right when Babidi landed on Earth. Good Cell and Buu-Freeza were evenly matched, but then Buu-Freeza transformed, into Super Buu Freeza, which was Gold and Pink. So Good Cell transformed to, his green body with black spots turned White with yellow spots. He is a God Cell now. And even Buu-Freeza couldn’t compete. In an act of desperation Buu-Freeza tried to absorb God Cell, but when he went into his liquid blob form, God Cell unretracted his tail: He pierced into Buu-Freeza’s blob form and it became a test of wills of who could absorb the other, until it looked like God Cell took in and absorb Buu-Freeza. But then he started thrashing and going crazy battle in the mind followed, but the minds of everyone God Cell has had in him helped to stop and contain Buu-Freeza, and fully take his power and quell the darkness. God Cell transformed again and powered down. His green body is now pink, but for the most part he’s still the same, though now his regeneration is limitless.

After killing Babidi, all the Freeza Forces and Babidi’s minions were given a choice to leave or die. Afterwards Good Cell recapped everything that happened with his friends, but all Vegeta cares about is getting the power of a God. Of course Beerus tries to shut Vegeta down, but Good Cell then requests Vegeta to train with Whis as well. Beerus says no and threatens to destroy Earth, but he notices an instant ramen cup that Jaco was making (He got hungry during Good Cell’s recap) and Beerus eats it. Instantly hooked, he demands his weight in instant Ramen weekly if Vegeta trains on his planet. With that settled, Vegeta leaves with Beerus, Whis, and Good Cell. And it doesn’t take long before Vegeta mentions ‘Kakarot’ so now Goku, Vegeta, and Good Cell are training on Beerus’ planet.

Going towards the U6 and Champa arc, things go in a different direction because when Champa comes to Beerus’ planet and they argue, Beerus refuses Champa’s challenge…because he’s retired. The week prior, he and Good Cell fought. And though Beerus was still Good Cell’s superior at 100% strength, Good Cell’s nigh infinite regeneration combined with his intellect as a fighter, and what Good Cell calls his “#lifehack” which is his God Form, Great Bug Form, and Kaioken x20 all at once, it became clear that when Beerus’ stamina drops, Good Cell will win. Now of course, Beerus could use Hakai energy to kill Good Cell before that happened, but that goes against the entire point of taking Good Cell to his planet to train him for the role as new God of Destruction, and even that fight. Beerus concedes the fight, makes it clear he still would of won, but he retires as God. Champa doesn’t like this one bit and challenges Good Cell to a duel. But since two Gods can’t fight each other, a tournament of U6 and U7 happens. Without Monoka, Gohan joins the U7 side. Things go about the same like in canon for the tournament. Zeno appears and wants a tournament, but when the Grand Priest realizes Good Cell is now a God, shuts the topic down. He points out Good Cell has an artificial soul and is an abomination, says a being with an artificial soul can’t be a God of Destruction, and wants Good Cell destroyed immediately. Good Cell argues his point, and with Champa and Beerus refusing to destroy him, the Grand Priest decides he’ll kill Good Cell himself. The battle is very one sided. But right when Grand Priest has Good Cell dead to rights, Zeno stops the fight. He was so amazed he wants to watch the fight again, but this time not impromptu. He orders Grand Priest to allow Good Cell to live for another 30 days, and on the 31st day, Zeno will want the Grand Priest and Good Cell’s fight broadcast all over GodTube. Grand Priest reluctantly agrees.

30 Days Pass and all universes and everyone who has access to Godtube are ready for the fight. Good Cell gets a promise from Zeno he’s allowed to live and continue being a God of Destruction if he defeats the Grand Priest. Zeno agrees. The two fight, and the fight isn’t as completely one sided due to Whis training Good Cell with Hakai energy. But the Grand Priest can still keep up. He even escapes Good Cell’s #lifehack Explosion with Hakai added. But then Good Cell brings out an urn, and uses the Mafuba on the Grand Priest, who is sealed. Good Cell wins, but upon being released Grand Priest works the crowd against Good Cell, calling him a cheater using such a cheap technique to win. Zeno agrees, but refuses to let Good Cell die. He tells Beerus to become God of Destruction again, and Good Cell goes back to being a mortal, and that the Grand Priest still lost. Grand Priest doesn’t like this but as long Good Cell isn’t a God, he’s fine with this.

Gonna stop here for now. If the Zamasu arc was to happen, it would happen afterwards, where after seeing Good Cell on Godtube disgusts him immensely. If there is to be time travel, it would be based on another future timeline, that has nothing to do with Future Trunks’ from Z.[/spoiler]

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Post by Dragon Ball Gus » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:40 pm

Nobody answered my two questions.
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Post by TruDovah » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:13 pm

FoolsGil:
That was quite a good story! Is it your original, or found somewhere?
A few things I had envisioned differently, but it is still awesome! Good job and thank you!

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Post by TruDovah » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:25 pm

What if Goku used Super Saiyan God throughout all of Super and it never disappeared until the Universe Survival Arc?
I don't think much would have been different, except a mastery of SSG similar to SSJ. SSB would still be the better form, and working on a mastery of that would be more effective and allow for more transformation involving that.


Also, What if Vegeta achieved SSG?
Vegeta did achieve the SSG form, as it was shown when fighting Goku Black.

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Post by kn83 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:50 pm

What if Android 21 was canon and appeared right after the Goku Black arc?
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Post by FoolsGil » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:02 pm

TruDovah wrote:FoolsGil:
That was quite a good story! Is it your original, or found somewhere?
A few things I had envisioned differently, but it is still awesome! Good job and thank you!
That's all me. Completely original.

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Post by Berserker1921 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:17 am

kn83 wrote:What if Android 21 was canon and appeared right after the Goku Black arc?
Well I would imagine the game would follow similar events to thag of the game. Except maybe they would include some of the villains to join them in the ToP arc.

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Post by kn83 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:35 pm

Berserker1921 wrote:
kn83 wrote:What if Android 21 was canon and appeared right after the Goku Black arc?
Well I would imagine the game would follow similar events to thag of the game. Except maybe they would include some of the villains to join them in the ToP arc.
Android 21 herself would make a great addition to the U7 team, depending on how you power scale her.

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