How did Vegeta get God Ki?

[DBZ Macky]

There was actual build-up for Vegeta attaining SS and SS2. We saw him struggle and get desperate for SS to the point where he literally cried at his helplessness. It took him training for 7 years to attain SS2 and only after selling his soul was he able to compete on an equal basis with Goku.

Compare that to him getting the form off-screen after just a few months of training with Whis.

[Freeza9000]

If characters like Beerus and other Gods of Destruction (and presumably an-about-to-be Hakaishin like Toppo) can get ungodly powerful just by training with their Angel attendants, I don't see how Vegeta reaching godhood by training with Whis is a problem.

People claim that Vegeta reaching godhood in a matter of 6 months cheapens SSJG, but isn't the concept of SSJG cheap itself considering all the Saiyans on Earth have to do is to hold hands for one other to reach such godly heights in power. I mean, the ritual could've been abused to death to make Gohan, Goten, Trunks and Pan god tier levels of strength.

And he gained that power just in time to make Goku look good by getting his ass kicked by some random edgy trenchcoat dude who apparently got his hands on the watch from Clockstoppers.

And much later on, Goku gets KO'd by the dude in just one shot.

[Lord Beerus]

There was actual build-up for Vegeta attaining SS and SS2. We saw him struggle and get desperate for SS to the point where he literally cried at his helplessness. It took him training for 7 years to attain SS2 and only after selling his soul was he able to compete on an equal basis with Goku.

Compare that to him getting the form off-screen after just a few months of training with Whis.

There was zero build up to Vegeta getting SSJ and even less for him getting SSJ2. The reason Vegeta gave as to how he attained the form is just dumb. It flies right in the face of everything that happened on Namek and retroactively ruins all of the symbolism with regards to how Goku became a SSJ in the first place. But because for a lot of people Vegeta had suffered so much on Namek, they were willing to brush all that aside because they felt he deserved that moment. Vegeta becoming a SSJ in circumstances that he did was just flat-out bad writing because the whole point of the Namek/Freeza arc was basically, "Don't be like Vegeta and you can become a SSJ." Then Toriyama backtracked on that and practically handed Vegeta the Super Saiyan form. For me personally, the mystique of Super Saiyan was destroyed the second it was achieved off-screen by Vegeta.

As for SSJ2... it just happened at some point in seven years for training. Just like SSJ2 and SSJ3 did for Goku.

[superfan2024]

Welp, it has now been confirmed:

By training with Whis and Beerus!
ttps://twitter.com/Herms98/status/1053715561165647872

I mean, many of us have speculated this in the past, so it didn't come off as surprising, at least to me. *Shrugs*

[PFM18]

There was actual build-up for Vegeta attaining SS and SS2. We saw him struggle and get desperate for SS to the point where he literally cried at his helplessness. It took him training for 7 years to attain SS2 and only after selling his soul was he able to compete on an equal basis with Goku.

Compare that to him getting the form off-screen after just a few months of training with Whis.

LOL he trained off screen for 7 years and got SSJ2. Am I supposed to believe that there's any build up there and we should feel like he earned it? Vegeta, somebody who has never had a master before, swallowed his pride and literally got on his hands and knees and begged somebody to train him. He also cooked for them and showed humility by doing house-cleaning in return for getting training from a God. And we actually saw him learn the nuance to God Ki and how it works, per this God. This is a perfect example of the extraordinarily prevalent double-standard that exists.

Edit: Didn't realize how old that post was.

[BlueBasilisk]

Welp, it has now been confirmed:

By training with Whis and Beerus!
ttps://twitter.com/Herms98/status/1053715561165647872

I mean, many of us have speculated this in the past, so it didn't come off as surprising, at least to me. *Shrugs*

We saw how he got it in 20 and 22. Whis taught both him and Goku.

[zarmack]

There was actual build-up for Vegeta attaining SS and SS2. We saw him struggle and get desperate for SS to the point where he literally cried at his helplessness. It took him training for 7 years to attain SS2 and only after selling his soul was he able to compete on an equal basis with Goku.

Compare that to him getting the form off-screen after just a few months of training with Whis.

There was zero build up to Vegeta getting SSJ and even less for him getting SSJ2. The reason Vegeta gave as to how he attained the form is just dumb. It flies right in the face of everything that happened on Namek and retroactively ruins all of the symbolism with regards to how Goku became a SSJ in the first place. But because for a lot of people Vegeta had suffered so much on Namek, they were willing to brush all that aside because they felt he deserved that moment. Vegeta becoming a SSJ in circumstances that he did was just flat-out bad writing because the whole point of the Namek/Freeza arc was basically, "Don't be like Vegeta and you can become a SSJ." Then Toriyama backtracked on that and practically handed Vegeta the Super Saiyan form. For me personally, the mystique of Super Saiyan was destroyed the second it was achieved off-screen by Vegeta.

As for SSJ2... it just happened at some point in seven years for training. Just like SSJ2 and SSJ3 did for Goku.

You are projecting a false message into the Namek arc's story. No such "point" was ever implied in that arc, let alone any symbolism you seem to project on to it. Goku unlocked SSJ for the first time through feeling intense rage, not his "purity" nor morality of any kind. The way Vegeta and Future Trunks did it was essentially no different. And if anything, the way Vegeta got SSJ for the first time was actually better written than how Goku did on Namek, since it suits his character more considering what he went through.

[zarmack]

Wasn't it obvious that he got it training with Whis after Battle of Gods? Its common sense.

[majinwarman]

There was actual build-up for Vegeta attaining SS and SS2. We saw him struggle and get desperate for SS to the point where he literally cried at his helplessness. It took him training for 7 years to attain SS2 and only after selling his soul was he able to compete on an equal basis with Goku.

Compare that to him getting the form off-screen after just a few months of training with Whis.

There was zero build up to Vegeta getting SSJ and even less for him getting SSJ2. The reason Vegeta gave as to how he attained the form is just dumb. It flies right in the face of everything that happened on Namek and retroactively ruins all of the symbolism with regards to how Goku became a SSJ in the first place. But because for a lot of people Vegeta had suffered so much on Namek, they were willing to brush all that aside because they felt he deserved that moment. Vegeta becoming a SSJ in circumstances that he did was just flat-out bad writing because the whole point of the Namek/Freeza arc was basically, "Don't be like Vegeta and you can become a SSJ." Then Toriyama backtracked on that and practically handed Vegeta the Super Saiyan form. For me personally, the mystique of Super Saiyan was destroyed the second it was achieved off-screen by Vegeta.

As for SSJ2... it just happened at some point in seven years for training. Just like SSJ2 and SSJ3 did for Goku.

But, you do know that Vegeta needed to get the form if he was going to be relevant in that arc.