Merged Zamasu's less obvious plothole

[Merged Zamasu]

For those that don't know what thie "Violent Fierce God Slicer" technique is: it was first used by Black to stab Vegeta, then grew stronger along with Black himself. The second form was something resembling a scimitar, which could also fire javelin-like projectiles that explode on contact (Black used that to crush Goku). Finally, the third version of the technique is a scythe, which Black used to open a portal to another dimension/his bottomless pit of anger. Merged Zamasu should have had the third version of the technique, the Schyte, in the fight against Trunks. Merged Zamasu kept all of Black's techniques (as well as the Super Sayan Rosè transformation). There is no logical reason for Merged Zamasu using the first and weakest level of the Violent Fierce God Slicer technique instead of the third. But who cares, Trunks sliced the big meanie guy in half, that's all that matters amirite?

[Cetra]

There is also no logical reason to call that a plothole.

[Doctor.]

Goku has the Kamehameha, the Super Kamehameha and the Instant Transmission Kamehameha. Are you saying he can never use the normal Kamehameha just because he has better versions available? Or that he can never use Super Saiyan just because he has 2 and 3? There's no plot hole here.

[Merged Zamasu]

Goku has the Kamehameha, the Super Kamehameha and the Instant Transmission Kamehameha. Are you saying he can never use the normal Kamehameha just because he has better versions available? Or that he can never use Super Saiyan just because he has 2 and 3? There's no plot hole here.

Except the normal Kamehameha is better to use because it requires far less energy than a Super Kamehameha. Normal Super Sayan requires far less energy than Super Sayan 3. That is not the case with Zamasu' Violent Fierce God Slicer. There is no downside in using the third (and strongest) level instead of the first, as it can tear a hole in the very fabric of creation, create clones of the user, and is more powerful.

This IS a plot hole. Had Merged Zamasu used the schyte (3° form) instead of the the sword (1° form) he would have beaten Trunks. And Merged Zamasu KNEW how to use the third form, as he inherited Black's powers and knowledge.

If this isn't a plot hole, then Merged Zamasu is stupid and willingly hindered himself by using the weakest version of his attack instead of the strongest, even thought there is NO downside in using the strongest.

[Doctor.]

There is no downside in using the third (and strongest) level instead of the first

How do you know?

This IS a plot hole. Had Merged Zamasu used the schyte (3° form) instead of the the sword (1° form) he would have beaten Trunks. And Merged Zamasu KNEW how to use the third form, as he inherited Black's powers and knowledge.

Aren't you the one who keeps saying Zamasu let himself be beat? Or did he lose to Trunks, now?

If this isn't a plot hole, then Merged Zamasu is stupid

News of the century.

[VegettoEX]

If this isn't a plot hole, then Merged Zamasu is stupid and willingly hindered himself

Seems like you have accepted all possible outcomes. That's great and wonderful progress toward having meaningful conversations with other members!

[Merged Zamasu]

There is no downside in using the third (and strongest) level instead of the first
How do you know?

Black would have mentioned it,. Did you see Black tired or exhausted after using that ability? The only downside is the fact the portal requires the user's presence to remain open, hence it closed after Black had left the battlefield. Merged Zamasu never left the battlefield, thus the portal would have never closed.

It's like using an old, rusty sword instead of a shiny, new, sharpened blade. It makes no sense and there is no logic behind that.

This IS a plot hole. Had Merged Zamasu used the schyte (3° form) instead of the the sword (1° form) he would have beaten Trunks. And Merged Zamasu KNEW how to use the third form, as he inherited Black's powers and knowledge.
Aren't you the one who keeps saying Zamasu let himself be beat? Or did he lose to Trunks, now?

I never denied Zamasu was beaten by Trunks. I do deny that Trunks destroyed Zamasu's body. Trunks humiliated Merged Zamasu for sure, but it was Zamasu who willingly destroyed his body, not Trunks.

[Doctor.]

Black would have mentioned it, don't you think? Did you see Black tired or exhausted after using that ability? The only downside is the fact the portal requires the user's presence to remain up, hence it closed after Black had left the battlefield. Merged Zamasu never left the battlefield, thus the portal would have never closed.

The technique was useless. It was only a method to stall for time. Goku and Vegeta weren't beaten.

Merged Zamasu had no reason to stall for time (he presumably didn't know about the Potara time limit), so it would have been useless.

[Merged Zamasu]

Black would have mentioned it, don't you think? Did you see Black tired or exhausted after using that ability? The only downside is the fact the portal requires the user's presence to remain up, hence it closed after Black had left the battlefield. Merged Zamasu never left the battlefield, thus the portal would have never closed.

The technique was useless. It was only a method to stall for time. Goku and Vegeta weren't beaten.

Merged Zamasu had no reason to stall for time (he presumably didn't know about the Potara time limit), so it would have been useless.

It would have been very useful actually.

If Merged Zamasu had used the third form of that ability, he could have kept Trunks busy, making him unable to save Goku and Vegeta in time. Trunks wasn't far from the battlefield anyway, and the portal is very easy to open, all Black had to do was one, fast move. It's not something like the Genkidama which requires 20 years to charge up and can be easily interrupted. If Trunks was indeed too far from the battlefield for the portal to open, Zamasu could have just used it at his actual location to surround himself with clones. Either way, Trunks would have been significantly slowed down (especially because the Clones are near Black's power level), and Merged Zamasu would have finished off both Goku and Vegeta.

We know Merged Zamasu retained Black's techniques. I just proved that technique would have been INSANELY useful during the last battle. There is no logical reason Merged Zamasu didn't even try to use that. He is arrogant and stubborn, but not stupid.

[Gog]

For those that don't know what thie "Violent Fierce God Slicer" technique is: it was first used by Black to stab Vegeta, then grew stronger along with Black himself. The second form was something resembling a scimitar, which could also fire javelin-like projectiles that explode on contact (Black used that to crush Goku). Finally, the third version of the technique is a scythe, which Black used to open a portal to another dimension/his bottomless pit of anger. Merged Zamasu should have had the third version of the technique, the Schyte, in the fight against Trunks. Merged Zamasu kept all of Black's techniques (as well as the Super Sayan Rosè transformation). There is no logical reason for Merged Zamasu using the first and weakest level of the Violent Fierce God Slicer technique instead of the third. But who cares, Trunks sliced the big meanie guy in half, that's all that matters amirite?

Thank you Zamasu but that isn't actually a plot hole, you did just forgot about the scythe variation, and for good reason, a scythe is an objectively inferior weapon to a sword, so it was wise for you to not actually use it. I also think that your counterpart Black Goku only used the scythe to show off against that foolish ningen Vegeta, that he was truly worthless, and after that their was no more reason to use that technique.

[Merged Zamasu]

For those that don't know what thie "Violent Fierce God Slicer" technique is: it was first used by Black to stab Vegeta, then grew stronger along with Black himself. The second form was something resembling a scimitar, which could also fire javelin-like projectiles that explode on contact (Black used that to crush Goku). Finally, the third version of the technique is a scythe, which Black used to open a portal to another dimension/his bottomless pit of anger. Merged Zamasu should have had the third version of the technique, the Schyte, in the fight against Trunks. Merged Zamasu kept all of Black's techniques (as well as the Super Sayan Rosè transformation). There is no logical reason for Merged Zamasu using the first and weakest level of the Violent Fierce God Slicer technique instead of the third. But who cares, Trunks sliced the big meanie guy in half, that's all that matters amirite?

Thank you Zamasu but that isn't actually a plot hole, you did just forgot about the scythe variation, and for good reason, a scythe is an objectively inferior weapon to a sword, so it was wise for you to not actually use it. I also think that your counterpart Black Goku only used the scythe to show off against that foolish ningen Vegeta, that he was truly worthless, and after that their was no more reason to use that technique.

The Schyte would have been extremely useful. Even if it were slower than a sword, you cannot deny the value of having an army of clones to protect you from any interference. Had Zamasu used that, Trunks wouldn't have saved Goku and Vegeta, and Zamasu would have won. Alas, Gods can't do anything against plot armor, no matter how strong and divine they can be.

An army of clones (which are near Black's power nonetheless) is not to be underestimated. They could have been far more useful than a sword which got shattered by Trunks. The clones could have finished off Goku and Vegeta, had Zamasu failed to do that, and then Trunks' Genkidama wouldn't have been strong enough to defeat Zamasu. Oh, it's insane, really. Zamasu would have stomped the good guys had he used the final version of the Violent Fierce God Slicer. But somehow, he completely forgot about that...

This is the reason it's a plot hole. Zamasu possessed an ability stronger and far more useful (that also had no real downside) yet he still chose to use the weaker, more useless and outdated version of said ability, so that the good guys could conveniently survive and defeat him.

[Yedis]

How was he going to use the scythe, try to finish off Goku and Vegeta, and defend himself against an attacking Trunks at the same time?

[Merged Zamasu]

How was he going to use the scythe and defend himself against an attacking Trunks at the same time?

We know that it's very easy to open the portal, because Black did it in a single, fast move. As did indeed say before, it is not an obliviosly slow attack like the Spirit Bomb. This scenario we are talking about takes place before Trunks jumps into the battle. Zamasu could have used the schyte to create Black's clones and use them to defend himself from any interference. This would have meant that Trunks wouldn't have reached Vegeta and Goku in time (since Black's clones are near Black's level, and would prove quite a challenge for Trunks), and Zamasu would have just finished off Goku and Vegeta.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Let me guess, next you're going to make a thread where you argue that Zamasu should have beaten Zeno, right?

[Freeza9000]

He is arrogant and stubborn, but not stupid.

He was stupid alright. Bulking himself up to the point where his rage can't keep up with Vegetto's speed (which can also be one of the many reasons why Trunks was able to beat Zamasu physically), him becoming more angrier thus becoming more unstable (degrading), etc.

[dragon boss z]

He is arrogant and stubborn, but not stupid.

He was stupid alright. Bulking himself up to the point where his rage can't keep up with Vegetto's speed (which can also be one of the many reasons why Trunks was able to beat Zamasu physically), him becoming more angrier thus becoming more unstable (degrading), etc.

It's pretty clear Zamasu is stupid. To win all he had to do was blow up the planet. That would of killed all his enemies. Also he should of just done that in the first place, it would of been quicker. Also why the hell did it take him so long to kill the Earthlings when Frieza said he could do it in under an hour and majin Buu literally did it in under a minute, lol.

[Freeza9000]

It's pretty clear Zamasu is stupid. To win all he had to do was blow up the planet. That would of killed all his enemies. Also he should of just done that in the first place, it would of been quicker. Also why the hell did it take him so long to kill the Earthlings when Frieza said he could do it in under an hour and majin Buu literally did it in under a minute, lol.

To be fair, it has been stated/established that Zamasu shows concern for the planet's beauty and all he wanted to do is to get rid of the stain that are the mortals.

[Gog]

He is arrogant and stubborn, but not stupid.

He was stupid alright. Bulking himself up to the point where his rage can't keep up with Vegetto's speed (which can also be one of the many reasons why Trunks was able to beat Zamasu physically), him becoming more angrier thus becoming more unstable (degrading), etc.

It's pretty clear Zamasu is stupid. To win all he had to do was blow up the planet. That would of killed all his enemies. Also he should of just done that in the first place, it would of been quicker. Also why the hell did it take him so long to kill the Earthlings when Frieza said he could do it in under an hour and majin Buu literally did it in under a minute, lol.

Because Black wanted to kill all the mortals one by one, and they didn't want to kill the wild life. But I dunno know, why they would take so long

[Kanassa]

It's pretty clear Zamasu is stupid. To win all he had to do was blow up the planet. That would of killed all his enemies. Also he should of just done that in the first place, it would of been quicker. Also why the hell did it take him so long to kill the Earthlings when Frieza said he could do it in under an hour and majin Buu literally did it in under a minute, lol.

To be fair, it has been stated/established that Zamasu shows concern for the planet's beauty and all he wanted to do is to get rid of the stain that are the mortals.

He should call Buu, that guy's a psychotic uncontrollable man child who craves destruction and chaos in all fors, and he managed to turn an entire planet's population into corpses with one move, while barely even touching the planet.

[Gog]

It's pretty clear Zamasu is stupid. To win all he had to do was blow up the planet. That would of killed all his enemies. Also he should of just done that in the first place, it would of been quicker. Also why the hell did it take him so long to kill the Earthlings when Frieza said he could do it in under an hour and majin Buu literally did it in under a minute, lol.

To be fair, it has been stated/established that Zamasu shows concern for the planet's beauty and all he wanted to do is to get rid of the stain that are the mortals.

He should call Buu, that guy's a psychotic uncontrollable man child who craves destruction and chaos in all fors, and he managed to turn an entire planet's population into corpses with one move, while barely even touching the planet.

Buu's a ningen, and we obviously know that Zamasu, and Black don't like letting ningens into the club, and besides lets be honest Buu's a genius capable of calculating every human in the world, and creating enough blasts to kill every single one of them. Just because he doesn't know how to speak, doesn't mean he's not as smart as a super computer.