But by BoGs Goku is, as a Super Saiyan, already well above the level of a guy who can crush guys who can one shot Freeza. As SSJ1 he is significantly above Semi Perfect who is someone who can crush guys (#17) who can one shot Freeza. Should't that already impress Beerus then?Pantalones wrote:You're assuming Beerus is talking in terms of multipliers. Using Namek levels for example...
Base: 3,000,000
SSj: 150,000,000
SSj2: 300,000,000
SSj3: 1,200,000,000
...If you look at the raw numbers and not the percentage difference between them, SSj2 is a bigger boost than SSj -- it adds an entire Super Saiyan's worth of power on top of what the Super Saiyan already has. It's not that much more impressive than SSj, but getting the same boost again (in terms of the amount added to the power, not some multiplier) would only come up to 297,000,000... so it is a bit more of a boost. And of course the final result is a lot more than regular Super Saiyan, literally twice as strong, and a hundred times as strong as Goku's base form -- going from "can't even beat Freeza" to "can crush people who could effortlessly defeat Freeza." That's probably what Beerus was talking about more than anything.
To add further on that, I can go on and attack the very premise that base Goku is actually below Freeza or whether Freeza’s power was retconned for the purposes of the then upcoming RoF arc. To go back to the dialogue transcript that I included in my original post, after SSJ1 Goku fought Beerus for a while, Beerus commented that defeating Freeza is probably the best Goku can do.
(a) Some may say that this doesn't mean that Beerus is not acknowledging that SSJ1 Goku is much stronger than Freeza but that Beerus simply uses Freeza as a comparison because Freeza was the strongest ‘mortal’/ningen that Beerus was aware of that he knew that Goku knew about.
(b) However, the counter-argument to (a) is that when Goku later transformed into SSJ2, Beerus commented “so you surpassed your limits”. Beerus commenting about Goku surpassing his limits implies that he thinks there was a limit to Goku’s strength to begin with. Now what was this limit? If SSJ1 Goku, after his battle with Freeza, went on to become, say, 24x stronger (or from Beerus’ POV 30x stronger than Freeza – from just 1.25x-remember in ep. 3 Beerus did see an exert of the fight of SSJ Goku Vs Freeza), this would indicate to Beerus a huge improvement about Goku’s SSJ1 strength. But then it would make no sense for Beerus to talk about Goku “surpassing his limits”, simply because SSJ Goku had already shown that he doesn't need something special, like another transformation, to greatly surpass his previous strength milestone/limit.