supersaiyangodgogeta wrote:Son_Gohan wrote:
It is not evident that Cell was speaking in terms of his true power when he made the statement or even later on. Since as dbgtFO points out, Cell didn't know himself exactly what his full power was at the time to even make such a claim. For there to be a lie, the statement would have to assert the idea to begin with; it merely stems from your own interpretation.
You're adding layers to his statement. Cell stated that Trunks surpassed him. That is as logically conclusive as Cell saying "true power" interpretations aside. He didn't say that Trunks was stronger than a specific level of power that he was using. Cell knew the actual ki amount that he possessed, hence why he made the comparison between himself and Trunks. He didn't yet know what he could do with the power he possessed.
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
The Trunks Special anime comic says SSJ2, then Grade 5, was the strongest transformation. This means Grade 3 can't be any stronger than SSJ2.
Other sources clarify the Grade 3 multiplier as 10x Grade 2 and Trunks powers up from SSJ2 to Grade 3 in Super, hence the anime comic simply point to SSJ2 being a stronger form overall, not in brute strength. That wraps up everything, this discussion is over.
1) At face value, all that can be taken from Cell's statement is that Trunks surpassed Cell's then current level, not his overall strength. Without specification, we can only take the situation as a snapshot of what it was at the time, that Trunks at that moment had surpassed Cell at that moment. Saying that it's an absolute when there are a vast number of statements contradicting it is just nonsensical.
Saying that Cell was saying that Trunks had surpassed his maximum would be no different than saying that Goku was saying that Vegeta as Ssj2 was equal to his Ssj3 form when he said the following statement.
Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…”
However, we fully know that Goku was only talking about the level of power he was using at that very time and not taking his Ssj3 form into account. In the same vein, we know from later statements from multiple individuals, Cell included, that Cell was only referring to the power he was using at the time and not his full strength, a strength that, by his own words, only Gohan surpassed.
2) The only other "source" is, as mentioned repeatedly by others before, a Spanish translation of a guide book that we have no verification of the original discussed piece of information for. Until we find out what is said in the original Japanese version, its credibility is no more sound than the North American page of Shonen Jump that indicated that Goku flew halfway across planet Namek to get from Freeza's ship to where the others were fighting Freeza.
Secondly, no, Trunks went from regular Super Saiyan to Grade 3 in Super, not Ssj2 to Grade 3.
All official, confirmable sources put Ssj2 above Grade 3 in every fashion, including strength. The manga does, the anime does, and all verifiable guide books do. Even if the Legend of Manga source's statement proved to be accurate translation of the original and not an embellishment of the Spanish translators, this would still fall short against the bulk of the information contradicting it, and at best would just fall under the erroneous "facts" that some of the guides have that just aren't accurate whatsoever.
