The guidebook, DB Extreme Battle Collection: Round 02, uses the term "Ultimate" / アルティメット as well:cheddarsword wrote:And since the video games are the only form of licensed media to use the termmiguelnuva1 wrote:
Ultimate isn't an official term either other than the American video games last I checked.
Theory: Gohan lost his "Mystic" form when he died in the Buu saga
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Meh. Didn't know about other media outlets using the term.Son_Gohan wrote:The guidebook, DB Extreme Battle Collection: Round 02, uses the term "Ultimate" / アルティメット as well:cheddarsword wrote:And since the video games are the only form of licensed media to use the termmiguelnuva1 wrote:
Ultimate isn't an official term either other than the American video games last I checked.
Re: Theory: Gohan lost his "Mystic" form when he died in the Buu saga
Well I guess now we can say Gohan just forgot how to power up to it? When Freeza came to Earth and during the exhibition matches he was likely fighting at SSJ2 level again.
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It doesn't even seem that he forgot. More like he just... didn't. Granted, he was never in a situation where it would have accomplished much in retrospect, but the latest episode kinda did a shit job at reintroducing it, and actually lines up pretty well with a joke prediction I made a couple of months back.precita wrote:Well I guess now we can say Gohan just forgot how to power up to it? When Freeza came to Earth and during the exhibition matches he was likely fighting at SSJ2 level again.
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Hahaha I know right?nickzambuto wrote:If anything is funnier than calling him Mystic Gohan, it's Mythical Gohan.Saturnine wrote:Nothing really indicated that he stopped being Mythical after he died, I'm not really inclined to believe that.
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Yeah they really could have done better here. Well, maybe the manga will get it right. Eventually...Jinzoningen MULE wrote:It doesn't even seem that he forgot. More like he just... didn't. Granted, he was never in a situation where it would have accomplished much in retrospect, but the latest episode kinda did a shit job at reintroducing it, and actually lines up pretty well with a joke prediction I made a couple of months back.precita wrote:Well I guess now we can say Gohan just forgot how to power up to it? When Freeza came to Earth and during the exhibition matches he was likely fighting at SSJ2 level again.
At any rate, at least he still has access to the form.
But with the way he entered it, it almost makes me want to call it Super Saiyan Black rather than Ultimate. The cropped hair doesn't help matters.
And then Piccolo just HAD to mention gaining more power... so to put it into Tien's terms: Ultra Ultimate? Mega Ultimate? Maximum Over Ultimate?
Re: Theory: Gohan lost his "Mystic" form when he died in the Buu saga
Naturally leading into Ultimate Form 2 of coursecheddarsword wrote:Yeah they really could have done better here. Well, maybe the manga will get it right. Eventually...Jinzoningen MULE wrote:It doesn't even seem that he forgot. More like he just... didn't. Granted, he was never in a situation where it would have accomplished much in retrospect, but the latest episode kinda did a shit job at reintroducing it, and actually lines up pretty well with a joke prediction I made a couple of months back.precita wrote:Well I guess now we can say Gohan just forgot how to power up to it? When Freeza came to Earth and during the exhibition matches he was likely fighting at SSJ2 level again.
At any rate, at least he still has access to the form.
But with the way he entered it, it almost makes me want to call it Super Saiyan Black rather than Ultimate. The cropped hair doesn't help matters.
And then Piccolo just HAD to mention gaining more power... so to put it into Tien's terms: Ultra Ultimate? Mega Ultimate? Maximum Over Ultimate?
Re: Theory: Gohan lost his "Mystic" form when he died in the Buu saga
Yeah, kinda like how Saiyan beyond God was supposed to be the new permanent base state. They dropped that concept just as quickly, creating the whole debate about two bases.Kaboom wrote:Super isn't really doing anything different than what practically every Toei-heralded project has always done... Contrary to how the manga portrayed it as a permanent change, the animated stuff has treated "Ultimate" like a transformation for Gohan ever since Z movie 13. GT's the only thing that didn't do it that way, and oddly thus fit best with what the manga showed.
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Re: Theory: Gohan lost his "Mystic" form when he died in the Buu saga
Ultimate Gohan Grade 2... Oy... just what we need...GigaDrill wrote:Naturally leading into Ultimate Form 2 of coursecheddarsword wrote:Yeah they really could have done better here. Well, maybe the manga will get it right. Eventually...Jinzoningen MULE wrote: It doesn't even seem that he forgot. More like he just... didn't. Granted, he was never in a situation where it would have accomplished much in retrospect, but the latest episode kinda did a shit job at reintroducing it, and actually lines up pretty well with a joke prediction I made a couple of months back.
At any rate, at least he still has access to the form.
But with the way he entered it, it almost makes me want to call it Super Saiyan Black rather than Ultimate. The cropped hair doesn't help matters.
And then Piccolo just HAD to mention gaining more power... so to put it into Tien's terms: Ultra Ultimate? Mega Ultimate? Maximum Over Ultimate?
Re: Theory: Gohan lost his "Mystic" form when he died in the Buu saga
No, because in order to transform into the Ultimate, Gohan needs to power up just like going Super Saiyan. That's precisely what Ro Kaioshin said. So if Gohan can power up to Super Saiyan, he can't forget how to power up to Ultimate, if it is the same way.precita wrote:Well I guess now we can say Gohan just forgot how to power up to it?
Dragon Ball Heroes also uses that term.Son_Gohan wrote:The guidebook, DB Extreme Battle Collection: Round 02, uses the term "Ultimate" / アルティメット as well
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Re: Theory: Gohan lost his "Mystic" form when he died in the Buu saga
Geekdom101 weighs in on the Ultimate Gohan debate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy9Q7SzyyA4
But basically, because Gohan was rusty and his heart wasn't that of a warrior's, he couldn't tap into his Ultimate power.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy9Q7SzyyA4
But basically, because Gohan was rusty and his heart wasn't that of a warrior's, he couldn't tap into his Ultimate power.
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Re: Theory: Gohan lost his "Mystic" form when he died in the Buu saga
Oddly enough, this topic was my very first post when I joined back in ye olden days of 2013.
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My, how time flies.
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My, how time flies.
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Re: Theory: Gohan lost his "Mystic" form when he died in the Buu saga
Considering that Gohan isn't a true fighter and has, for the most part, preferred not to fight, I would suggest that perhaps he inadvertently created a mental block that prevented him from accessing that power. Think about it. He changed when he had it before. Maybe it scared him. Maybe he didn't like what he thought he would become if he gave into that again.Grimlock wrote:No, because in order to transform into the Ultimate, Gohan needs to power up just like going Super Saiyan. That's precisely what Ro Kaioshin said. So if Gohan can power up to Super Saiyan, he can't forget how to power up to Ultimate, if it is the same way.precita wrote:Well I guess now we can say Gohan just forgot how to power up to it?
Dragon Ball Heroes also uses that term.Son_Gohan wrote:The guidebook, DB Extreme Battle Collection: Round 02, uses the term "Ultimate" / アルティメット as well
Piccolo states that he got drunk on that power. The same could be said when he went SS2 against Cell.
Every time he gets a power boost, his personality changes. That may be enough to make him afraid of it.