Do Dragon Ball characters have Split Durability?

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Do Dragon Ball characters have Split Durability?

Post by Gog » Sun May 14, 2017 5:56 am

So, there's a theory roaming around that Dragon Ball characters have split durability, they can output Ki attacks that can destroy planets, and tank those blasts, but for physical level attacks they arent as strong and cant take as much.

Does this theory hold any weight?

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Re: Do Dragon Ball characters have Split Durability?

Post by dbgtFO » Sun May 14, 2017 6:31 am

Gog wrote:So, there's a theory roaming around that Dragon Ball characters have split durability, they can output Ki attacks that can destroy planets, and tank those blasts, but for physical level attacks they arent as strong and cant take as much.

Does this theory hold any weight?
No, it's pretty illigical and never implied.
Sounds like videogame logic in fact, where you have magical resistance and normal resistance like pokemon.

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Re: Do Dragon Ball characters have Split Durability?

Post by buutenks » Sun May 14, 2017 7:14 am

No, DBZ/S is just very inconsistent.

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Re: Do Dragon Ball characters have Split Durability?

Post by GodKaio-Ken » Sun May 14, 2017 10:07 am

Well to some degree it is true. When someone tanks an attack like that they are tanking it using their own ki.

Their physical bodies can be injured by guns and such if they arent expecting it as shown in RoF and before the Champa Arc.
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Re: Do Dragon Ball characters have Split Durability?

Post by PerhapsTheOtherOne » Sun May 14, 2017 10:40 am

There isn't separate levels of durability, it's all on a continuous spectrum that has multiple branching offshoots and intricacies.

This is all because of Ki. All experienced martial artists in the franchise make use of Ki manipulation to give themselves incredible strength, defense, and abilities because the body has physical limits.

If you can get around this Ki somehow, you'll be much more likely to hurt a fighter. For example, if they're suppressing their power, they become more susceptible, as can taking them off-guard. In their everyday lives, the Z-Warriors aren't constantly keeping their Ki up unless they're training, which is why their families can beat them up and why their jobs can put them in danger if they aren't paying attention.

A stray bullet or laser can actually do something if a fighter isn't keeping up their Ki and/or isn't paying enough attention.

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Re: Do Dragon Ball characters have Split Durability?

Post by The Monkey King » Mon May 15, 2017 2:46 pm

Considering ki blasts make physical explosions and DB characters can withstand the force of planetary explosions I'm saying no.

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Re: Do Dragon Ball characters have Split Durability?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Tue May 16, 2017 1:59 am

I know this is the in-universe discussion forum, but the only real answer to this is that their durability against any given thing is based on the whims of the plot. Like Vegeta dying when Freeza destroyed the Earth.
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Re: Do Dragon Ball characters have Split Durability?

Post by theherodjl » Tue May 16, 2017 2:00 pm

The Monkey King wrote:Considering ki blasts make physical explosions and DB characters can withstand the force of planetary explosions I'm saying no.
I think we ought to narrow that down to Freeza, it seems he and his brother if the movieverse is counted are able to survive such immense force as well as extreme temperatures.
Beerus & Whis are also shown to do so but that's simply because Beerus is a Hakaishin and Whis is an angel, incredible durability seems to be a prerequisite for both roles.
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Re: Do Dragon Ball characters have Split Durability?

Post by Master Xar » Wed May 17, 2017 8:30 am

buutenks wrote:No, DBZ/S is just very inconsistent.
It's been around before Super you know... go look at OBD on Narutoforums.

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Re: Do Dragon Ball characters have Split Durability?

Post by nickzambuto » Thu May 18, 2017 2:08 am

That idea is just stupid copouts that battle forum nerds make up to try and preserve their own favorite franchises' power superiority when nobody would ever think of such a thing otherwise.

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Re: Do Dragon Ball characters have Split Durability?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Thu May 18, 2017 10:53 pm

nickzambuto wrote:That idea is just stupid copouts that battle forum nerds make up to try and preserve their own favorite franchises' power superiority when nobody would ever think of such a thing otherwise.
I see it more as a hopeless attempt to apply consistent logic to an inherently illogical and inconsistent series.
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Re: Do Dragon Ball characters have Split Durability?

Post by The Monkey King » Fri May 19, 2017 3:52 pm

theherodjl wrote:
The Monkey King wrote:Considering ki blasts make physical explosions and DB characters can withstand the force of planetary explosions I'm saying no.
I think we ought to narrow that down to Freeza, it seems he and his brother if the movieverse is counted are able to survive such immense force as well as extreme temperatures.
Beerus & Whis are also shown to do so but that's simply because Beerus is a Hakaishin and Whis is an angel, incredible durability seems to be a prerequisite for both roles.
To be fair Freeza was banking on the lack of oxygen killing Goku not the explosion itself.
Chapter: 319 (DBZ 125), P14.4
Freeza: “I can survive in outer space. But how about you Saiyans!?”
King Kai also supports this being the case
Chapter: 320 (DBZ 126), P5.2
Kaio: “Nobody can survive where there’s no planet…Except for Freeza…”
Notice how he says Freeza will live because only he can survive in space not because only he can withstand a planetary explosion.

Also Freeza is straight up less durable than Namek saga SSJ Goku, I'd say his endurance is higher though.

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Re: Do Dragon Ball characters have Split Durability?

Post by theherodjl » Sat May 20, 2017 1:23 am

The Monkey King wrote:
theherodjl wrote:
The Monkey King wrote:Considering ki blasts make physical explosions and DB characters can withstand the force of planetary explosions I'm saying no.
I think we ought to narrow that down to Freeza, it seems he and his brother if the movieverse is counted are able to survive such immense force as well as extreme temperatures.
Beerus & Whis are also shown to do so but that's simply because Beerus is a Hakaishin and Whis is an angel, incredible durability seems to be a prerequisite for both roles.
To be fair Freeza was banking on the lack of oxygen killing Goku not the explosion itself.
Chapter: 319 (DBZ 125), P14.4
Freeza: “I can survive in outer space. But how about you Saiyans!?”
King Kai also supports this being the case
Chapter: 320 (DBZ 126), P5.2
Kaio: “Nobody can survive where there’s no planet…Except for Freeza…”
Notice how he says Freeza will live because only he can survive in space not because only he can withstand a planetary explosion.

Also Freeza is straight up less durable than Namek saga SSJ Goku, I'd say his endurance is higher though.
Hence why I stated EXTREME TEMPERATURES on top of it.
Goku needed a specialized suit to be in outer space and another one to withstand the heat of the inner Earth, most users of Ki are incredibly durable to pure force but temperature seems to be a different story. Freeza's race has a much greater resistance to such things as Freeza can just drift in the icy vacuum of space while dismembered and Cooler even withstood the heat of the sun's surface for a brief moment, something Broly & Baby couldn't do as powerful as they were.
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Re: Do Dragon Ball characters have Split Durability?

Post by MrWalnut4 » Sat May 20, 2017 2:18 am

Within the logic of Dragon Ball maybe, but outside of that, it's like saying someone can survive a nuclear blast but not an equally strong right hook. Both attacks imply a transfer of kinetic and/or electrical energy from one subject to another. It doesn't matter whether the transfer occurs between flesh or an atomic explosion, the resulting damage to a physical body should be the same. However Dragon Ball isn't exactly known for having realistic physics in its universe, so it could technically be possible.

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Re: Do Dragon Ball characters have Split Durability?

Post by Tsufuru » Sat May 20, 2017 4:04 pm

theherodjl wrote:
The Monkey King wrote:
theherodjl wrote:
I think we ought to narrow that down to Freeza, it seems he and his brother if the movieverse is counted are able to survive such immense force as well as extreme temperatures.
Beerus & Whis are also shown to do so but that's simply because Beerus is a Hakaishin and Whis is an angel, incredible durability seems to be a prerequisite for both roles.
To be fair Freeza was banking on the lack of oxygen killing Goku not the explosion itself.
Chapter: 319 (DBZ 125), P14.4
Freeza: “I can survive in outer space. But how about you Saiyans!?”
King Kai also supports this being the case
Chapter: 320 (DBZ 126), P5.2
Kaio: “Nobody can survive where there’s no planet…Except for Freeza…”
Notice how he says Freeza will live because only he can survive in space not because only he can withstand a planetary explosion.

Also Freeza is straight up less durable than Namek saga SSJ Goku, I'd say his endurance is higher though.
Hence why I stated EXTREME TEMPERATURES on top of it.
Goku needed a specialized suit to be in outer space and another one to withstand the heat of the inner Earth, most users of Ki are incredibly durable to pure force but temperature seems to be a different story. Freeza's race has a much greater resistance to such things as Freeza can just drift in the icy vacuum of space while dismembered and Cooler even withstood the heat of the sun's surface for a brief moment, something Broly & Baby couldn't do as powerful as they were.
you do realize they use ki to survive all that?
including frieza.
ki also does have heat btw.
split durabiltiy is stupid , they use ki to tank everything.
punches , kicks , ki blasts and even hax is mostly ki based.
kid gohan in the one year training for the saiyans could make fire with a mini ki blast.
goku's hands burned when he blocked Freeza's atack.
so the heat increases with higher power.

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Re: Do Dragon Ball characters have Split Durability?

Post by buutenks » Sun May 21, 2017 7:35 am

Master Xar wrote:
buutenks wrote:No, DBZ/S is just very inconsistent.
It's been around before Super you know... go look at OBD on Narutoforums.

I've been debating DBZ vs other fictional universes since 2005, so i know the split durability thing. But truth is, like all fiction with very powerful chadacters, there will be allot of low showings due to inconsistency. So the split durability started due to the inconsistency of DB/DBZ and now DBS. Ofc, splitdurability does not exist. It was made up because people were trying to rationalise a very inconsistent series.

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Re: Do Dragon Ball characters have Split Durability?

Post by theherodjl » Sun May 21, 2017 8:22 am

Tsufuru wrote:you do realize they use ki to survive all that?
including frieza.
ki also does have heat btw.
split durabiltiy is stupid , they use ki to tank everything.
punches , kicks , ki blasts and even hax is mostly ki based.
kid gohan in the one year training for the saiyans could make fire with a mini ki blast.
goku's hands burned when he blocked Freeza's atack.
so the heat increases with higher power.
Freeza and his brother are the only ones to survive such extreme heat which likely has to do with their unique anatomy, everyone else either burns up or explodes violently like Broly does apparently. This suggests that Ki does NOT offer additional protection against super heated temperatures.
Heat from Ki also is not as hot as say, the mantle or core of the Earth or even the surface of the sun. However there really isn't much evidence that Ki gets hotter as a character's Ki goes up, if anything it may be something along the lines of having more force behind Ki rather than greater temperature. A bullet that is launched from either a handgun or a rifle will both be hot but its the differing force behind them that really causes different damage and sets them apart.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun May 21, 2017 8:25 pm

Having their guard down leaves their body vulnerable to attacks as their ki levels are down. That also applies to those with no control over their ki.
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Re: Do Dragon Ball characters have Split Durability?

Post by Tsufuru » Mon May 22, 2017 10:43 am

theherodjl wrote:
Tsufuru wrote:you do realize they use ki to survive all that?
including frieza.
ki also does have heat btw.
split durabiltiy is stupid , they use ki to tank everything.
punches , kicks , ki blasts and even hax is mostly ki based.
kid gohan in the one year training for the saiyans could make fire with a mini ki blast.
goku's hands burned when he blocked Freeza's atack.
so the heat increases with higher power.
Freeza and his brother are the only ones to survive such extreme heat which likely has to do with their unique anatomy, everyone else either burns up or explodes violently like Broly does apparently. This suggests that Ki does NOT offer additional protection against super heated temperatures.
Heat from Ki also is not as hot as say, the mantle or core of the Earth or even the surface of the sun. However there really isn't much evidence that Ki gets hotter as a character's Ki goes up, if anything it may be something along the lines of having more force behind Ki rather than greater temperature. A bullet that is launched from either a handgun or a rifle will both be hot but its the differing force behind them that really causes different damage and sets them apart.
where does it say frieza survived bcuz of his body is diffrent?
didnt he survive bcuz goku gave him ki?
cooler and broly are non canon.
ki is not a bullet and not a rifle , a slow ki blast would have the same effect unlike a slow bullet.
it was cleary shown gokus hands burned bcuz he was blocking Freeza's atack for to long.
by your logic kid gohan pre saiyans could burn frieza saga goku to death if goku would touch it for long enough.
we know this wont happen.

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Re: Do Dragon Ball characters have Split Durability?

Post by SaiyanGod117 » Mon May 22, 2017 11:31 am

It doesn't exist in Dragon Ball.

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