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The Movie Timeline

Post by xm0c » Mon May 15, 2017 3:17 pm

I like to think the movies take place in their own little timeline. Most people have tried to fit them into the official timeline, with varying success. There was a popular image, showing the movies are in their own little "sub-timelines". Thing with that is that Fusion Reborn showed most of the movie villains escaping hell, placing them in the same timeline. Xenoverse 2 also said they were in their own timeline. I'll try to show how the events of the series took place in this timeline, with events in the main timeline being adjusted to better fit with the movies. MasakoX tried the same thing, and I will admit to using some of the ideas he suggested. I'm going to try and incorporate as much Dragon Ball media as I can. Edit: I've decided to update this, including info from Dragon Ball Online, along with key moments in the series history. Also included are the Dr. Slump films and anime, as they are in the same universe.

Year 41: The Super Dragon Balls are created.
5,000,000 Before Age: Four of the five Supreme Kais of Universe 7 are beaten by Majin Buu, with the remaining kai, Shin, killing Bibidi, and locking Majin Buu away on Earth.
~238 Before Age: Episode of Bardock takes place. Bardock becomes the Super Saiyan of legend, and goes to be the only one for the next 1000 years. After he kills Chilled, Towa and Mira capture and brainwash him.
226 Before Age: The Hirudegarn wars take place on Planet Konats.
Age 261: The Namekian drought takes place, killing all but three Namekians. Guru recreates the race, along with the Namekian Dragon Balls.
Between Age 431 and Age 461: The Nameless Namekian creates the Black-Star Dragon Balls, but because of his inexperience, they prove too dangerous, and are thus scattered across the Earth, never to be used until later.
Age 461: The Nameless Namekian splits into Kami and King Piccolo, and the King Piccolo wars take place. King Piccolo is sealed by the Rice Cooker.
Age 470: Kami creates the Earth's Dragon Balls.
Age 550: The first Saiyans arrive on Planet Plant.
Age 712: The Capsule Corporation is made by Dr. Briefs.
Between Age 720 and Age 730: The Saiyan-Tuffle war takes place. The Saiyans win, renaming the planet to Planet Vegeta. All but one Tuffle is killed, along with the parasite Baby, which is sent away.
Age 731: The Saiyans are employed by Frieza.
Age 737: Bardock - The Father of Goku takes place. In the end, Bardock is sent to the past by Towa and Mira, to become a Super Saiyan.
Age 738: Sachie-chan Guu!! and Jiya takes place. Both of these manga detail stories of the Galactic Patrol.
Age 739: Jaco the Galactic Patrolman takes place.
Age 745 to Age 749: Dr. Slump takes place. The Penguin Village uses a different calendar system than the other parts of the world.
September, Age 749: Curse of the Blood Rubies take place. The film retells how Goku and Bulma met, and their adventures that follow. The only major problem is that Goku never met Chi-Chi or Pilaf, but I will get to that.
Afterwards, Goku and Krillin go to Master Roshi to learn from him. However, instead of being sent to find a pretty girl, they must save the jewel, and Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle takes place. Launch ends up living with Roshi at the end of the film, just like in the main series.
Between Age 749 and Age 750: I'm guessing this is where Goku and Chi-Chi met. Roshi most likely sent him to them to put the fire out on Frying Pan Mountain, just as in the main series. Goku could have also beaten Pilaf and his gang, along with Monster Carrot, at this time.
Early Age 750: This is where the first major change from the main timeline. Instead of going directly to the 21st World Martial Arts Tournament, the gang go to the country of Mifan, where Mystical Adventure takes place. Chiaotzu is an emperor in this timeline, Tien is his guard, and Goku deals with Mercenary Tao a lot earlier than in the main timeline.
May 7, Age 750: With the Mifan Tournament ending with no winner, the gang enter the 21st World Tournament to gain experience. Jackie Chun wins.
Between Age 750 and 753: The Red Ribbon Army is most likely beaten by Goku at this time. The only major changes being the lack of General Blue, Tao, and Major Metallitron. Goku also never meets Suno, and most likely just leaves Android 8 at her village without ever meeting her. Afterwards, Goku and his friends take Baba's challenge to test their skills, where he sees Grandpa Gohan again.
Afterwards, Goku goes to train for his next tournament. It is during this time that Goku's Traffic Safety and Goku's Fire Brigade (yes, I'm counting them). Goku meets Suno for the first time.
May 7, Age 753: The 22nd World Tournament happens. Tien and Chiaotzu are friends with Goku, so things go a lot nicer for the gang. I'm guessing Chiaotzu retired as emperor to learn how to fight from Tien. Tien most likely wins the tournament, but...
May 7-9, Age 753: The King Piccolo arc takes place as normal, with the only difference being Chiaotzu does not die. He'll die later during the Saiyan fight.
May 7, Age 756: The 23rd Tournament takes place as normal. After, Goku and Chi-Chi are married.
Early Age 761: The Dead Zone takes place. The only effect on the main timeline is that the gang knows about Gohan's existence, and that Goku and Piccolo have already teamed up by the time Raditz arrives.
October 12, Age 761: The fight with Raditz happens as normal. Goku dies, and Gohan is kidnapped by Piccolo.
November 2-3, Age 762: Goku is revived, and the fight with Vegeta and Nappa happens. Instead of dying, Piccolo barely manages to survive his fight with Nappa. Vegeta is defeated, and leaves.
Age 763: After the Earth Dragon Balls are recharged, Yamcha, Tien, and Chiaotzu are revived.
Age 764: The World's Strongest takes place.
Age 765: The Tree of Might takes place.
Early November, Age 766: Lord Slug takes place. These three movies have to take place in different years, because each of them involve a wish on the Dragon Balls. Piccolo is ashamed that he is not keeping up with Goku, so he and Kami decide to die to train with King Kai (from MasakoX). To make sure they have Dragon Balls, the gang go to Namek to revive Piccolo. Tien and Yamcha stay on Earth to protect it, while Goku recovers from his battle with Slug.
November 14, Age 766 to December 24, Age 766: The Namek arc happens as normal, but they don't need to revive the Z-Fighters (only Piccolo during the first session, and Krillin during the second).
Early Age 767: The Garlic Jr. saga happens as normal.
August Age 767: Future Trunks arrives, and deals with Mecha Frieza and King Cold. To speed the timeline up, the Androids are coming next year, because the changes in this timeline would have no affect on Dr. Gero's creations, so they have only one year of training. During this time, Piccolo and Kami refuse, and Goku gets Dende to remake the Dragon Balls. Cooler's Revenge, and later that year, The Return of Cooler happens.
May 12-16, Age 768: The initial fight with Dr. Gero and Android 19 happens as normal. However, instead of being affected by the Heart Virus, Goku manages to recover just enough to get home to take his medicine (from MasakoX). Vegeta deals with 19, and later, when No. 16, 17, and 18 come out, instead of fighting, they sense the upcoming three Androids, and tell the Z Fighters to deal with them, while they go search for Goku. Goku finds the idea of 6 Androids exciting, and he makes a full recovery. Chi-Chi forces Goku and Gohan to go shopping, and Super Android 13 happens. and afterwards, Summer Vacation Special, where Goku and Gohan recap all the movies. Sensing Cell's presence, Goku takes the Saiyans to train in the Room of Spirit and Time. Piccolo, not wanting to leave the Androids around, goes to fight them, and the story goes as normal until Cell announces the Cell Games.
May 17-25, Age 768: During the wait for the Cell Games, the gang hold a picnic to get ease their minds. Goku and Chi-Chi go to Gohan's college interview, and she forces them to take a day off of their Super Saiyan training to appear normal. Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan happens. The next day, with Goku and Gohan still tired from the fight with Broly, they take another day off their training. That day, Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans happens. Since the original version contains all the scenes in the remake, and then some, the original is the one in this timeline.
May 26, Age 768: The Cell Games takes place.
June, Age 768: The Other World Tournament happens.
Between June and December, Age 768: Bojack Unbound happens.
December, Age 773: The Year-End Show happens, where Goten meets Goku for the first time. The Son family recaps the Cell Games and Other World Tournament.
Early Age 774: Broly - Second Coming happens during the training before the 25th Tournament.
May 7-8, Age 774: The 25th Tournament happens as normal. Instead of joining in the search for Babidi, Krillin stays at the Tournament, but quits so Android 18 can have a chance to win. During Goku's fight with Majin Vegeta, and the search for the Dragon Balls, Android 18 goes to Mr. Satan to get her money, and Goten and Trunks tag along on their way to the battlefield. Bio-Broly takes place. The rest of the Majin Buu arc happens as normal, until the end. Vegeta refuses to be revived, and (from MasakoX) Goku sacrifices himself to kill Kid Buu. The two must wait for the Namekian Dragon Balls to recharge.
September, Age 774: Fusion Reborn happens, with Goku and Vegeta being dead throughout. With the wish at the end of the film, the gang with for all memories of Majin Buu to be erased. Later, the Namekian Dragon Balls recharge, and Goku & Vegeta are revived.
Age 775: Wrath of the Dragon happens.
Age 776: Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!! takes place.
August 18, Age 778: Battle of Gods takes place, rather than the saga in Super.
August, Age 779: Resurrection 'F' begins. Frieza is revived, and goes to train for four months.
Early December, Age 779: The battle with Golden Frieza takes place, ending in his death.
Late December, Age 779: The Universe 6 arc takes place.
Age 780: The Goku Black arc happens.
December, Age 780: The Tournament of Power happens.
Age 780 (alternate timeline): The History of Trunks takes place.
May 7, Age 784: The Peaceful World Saga takes place. Goku leaves with Uub.
Age 785: The events of the Nekomajin takes place.
Age 789: The search for the Black-Star Dragon Balls and the Baby arc of GT happens. I get the feeling there were a couple of major differences from the main timeline of GT, like maybe Piccolo does not die so he can appear in the Online era, or Majin Buu does not permanently fuse with Uub, keeping Majuub as a temporary fusion like Gotenks. The Pilaf Gang accidently wish for Goku to become a child, and the search for the Black-Star Dragon Balls takes place. However, Goku wishes on the Super Dragon Balls to be turned back into an adult after everything happens.
Age 790: The Super 17 saga and Shadow Dragons sagas happen. The only difference is that, instead of making Hellfighter 17, the Doctors make Super 17, so Android 17 remains good throughout. By the end, Goku leaves Earth with the Dragon Balls, deactivating them.
Age 791: Majin Buu creates his family, with the help of Future Trunks and Future Warrior, staring the Majin race.
Age 801: Vegeta senses his upcoming death, and leaves Earth to die in solitude.
Age 804: Gohan publishes his book Groundbreaking Science, leading many Earthlings to master ki control.
Age 805: Trunks and Goten start toe Kikoukenjutsu Sword School.
Before Age 820: The Dragon Balls return to Earth, after it has proven to survive without them.
Age 821: Krillin and Tien start the recreated Turtle School and Crane School. Even more Earthlings learn about ki control, leading to many super fighters.
Age 850: Xenoverse takes place. Future Trunks arrives in this time, setting up Toki Toki City as the base for the Time Patrol. Future Trunks summons Ace with the Dragon Balls, and the two go through history to stop Towa, Mira, and Demigra.
Age 851: New Namek is destroyed, and the Namekians migrate to Earth.
Age 852: Xenoverse 2 takes place. The Second Future Warrior has his adventures, and Towa, Mira, and Demigra are defeated again.
Age 853: The Namekians form a land to be more similar to their home planet.
Age 889: A Hero's Legacy takes place. Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. have their fight at the Tournament.

Thoughts? Did I miss anything? Any errors? Please let me know.

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Re: The Movie Timeline

Post by Ricardolindo » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:43 am

xm0c wrote:I like to think the movies take place in their own little timeline. Most people have tried to fit them into the official timeline, with varying success. There was a popular image, showing the movies are in their own little "sub-timelines". Thing with that is that Fusion Reborn showed most of the movie villains escaping hell, placing them in the same timeline. Xenoverse 2 also said they were in their own timeline. I'll try to show how the events of the series took place in this timeline, with events in the main timeline being adjusted to better fit with the movies. MasakoX tried the same thing, and I will admit to using some of the ideas he suggested. I'm going to try and incorporate as much Dragon Ball media as I can. Edit: I've decided to update this, including info from Dragon Ball Online, along with key moments in the series history. Also included are the Dr. Slump films and anime, as they are in the same universe.

Year 41: The Super Dragon Balls are created.
5,000,000 Before Age: Four of the five Supreme Kais of Universe 7 are beaten by Majin Buu, with the remaining kai, Shin, killing Bibidi, and locking Majin Buu away on Earth.
~238 Before Age: Episode of Bardock takes place. Bardock becomes the Super Saiyan of legend, and goes to be the only one for the next 1000 years. After he kills Chilled, Towa and Mira capture and brainwash him.
226 Before Age: The Hirudegarn wars take place on Planet Konats.
Age 261: The Namekian drought takes place, killing all but three Namekians. Guru recreates the race, along with the Namekian Dragon Balls.
Between Age 431 and Age 461: The Nameless Namekian creates the Black-Star Dragon Balls, but because of his inexperience, they prove too dangerous, and are thus scattered across the Earth, never to be used until later.
Age 461: The Nameless Namekian splits into Kami and King Piccolo, and the King Piccolo wars take place. King Piccolo is sealed by the Rice Cooker.
Age 470: Kami creates the Earth's Dragon Balls.
Age 550: The first Saiyans arrive on Planet Plant.
Age 712: The Capsule Corporation is made by Dr. Briefs.
Between Age 720 and Age 730: The Saiyan-Tuffle war takes place. The Saiyans win, renaming the planet to Planet Vegeta. All but one Tuffle is killed, along with the parasite Baby, which is sent away.
Age 731: The Saiyans are employed by Frieza.
Age 737: Bardock - The Father of Goku takes place. In the end, Bardock is sent to the past by Towa and Mira, to become a Super Saiyan.
Age 738: Sachie-chan Guu!! and Jiya takes place. Both of these manga detail stories of the Galactic Patrol.
Age 739: Jaco the Galactic Patrolman takes place.
Age 745 to Age 749: Dr. Slump takes place. The Penguin Village uses a different calendar system than the other parts of the world.
September, Age 749: Curse of the Blood Rubies take place. The film retells how Goku and Bulma met, and their adventures that follow. The only major problem is that Goku never met Chi-Chi or Pilaf, but I will get to that.
Afterwards, Goku and Krillin go to Master Roshi to learn from him. However, instead of being sent to find a pretty girl, they must save the jewel, and Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle takes place. Launch ends up living with Roshi at the end of the film, just like in the main series.
Between Age 749 and Age 750: I'm guessing this is where Goku and Chi-Chi met. Roshi most likely sent him to them to put the fire out on Frying Pan Mountain, just as in the main series. Goku could have also beaten Pilaf and his gang, along with Monster Carrot, at this time.
Early Age 750: This is where the first major change from the main timeline. Instead of going directly to the 21st World Martial Arts Tournament, the gang go to the country of Mifan, where Mystical Adventure takes place. Chiaotzu is an emperor in this timeline, Tien is his guard, and Goku deals with Mercenary Tao a lot earlier than in the main timeline.
May 7, Age 750: With the Mifan Tournament ending with no winner, the gang enter the 21st World Tournament to gain experience. Jackie Chun wins.
Between Age 750 and 753: The Red Ribbon Army is most likely beaten by Goku at this time. The only major changes being the lack of General Blue, Tao, and Major Metallitron. Goku also never meets Suno, and most likely just leaves Android 8 at her village without ever meeting her. Afterwards, Goku and his friends take Baba's challenge to test their skills, where he sees Grandpa Gohan again.
Afterwards, Goku goes to train for his next tournament. It is during this time that Goku's Traffic Safety and Goku's Fire Brigade (yes, I'm counting them). Goku meets Suno for the first time.
May 7, Age 753: The 22nd World Tournament happens. Tien and Chiaotzu are friends with Goku, so things go a lot nicer for the gang. I'm guessing Chiaotzu retired as emperor to learn how to fight from Tien. Tien most likely wins the tournament, but...
May 7-9, Age 753: The King Piccolo arc takes place as normal, with the only difference being Chiaotzu does not die. He'll die later during the Saiyan fight.
May 7, Age 756: The 23rd Tournament takes place as normal. After, Goku and Chi-Chi are married.
Early Age 761: The Dead Zone takes place. The only effect on the main timeline is that the gang knows about Gohan's existence, and that Goku and Piccolo have already teamed up by the time Raditz arrives.
October 12, Age 761: The fight with Raditz happens as normal. Goku dies, and Gohan is kidnapped by Piccolo.
November 2-3, Age 762: Goku is revived, and the fight with Vegeta and Nappa happens. Instead of dying, Piccolo barely manages to survive his fight with Nappa. Vegeta is defeated, and leaves.
Age 763: After the Earth Dragon Balls are recharged, Yamcha, Tien, and Chiaotzu are revived.
Age 764: The World's Strongest takes place.
Age 765: The Tree of Might takes place.
Early November, Age 766: Lord Slug takes place. These three movies have to take place in different years, because each of them involve a wish on the Dragon Balls. Piccolo is ashamed that he is not keeping up with Goku, so he and Kami decide to die to train with King Kai (from MasakoX). To make sure they have Dragon Balls, the gang go to Namek to revive Piccolo. Tien and Yamcha stay on Earth to protect it, while Goku recovers from his battle with Slug.
November 14, Age 766 to December 24, Age 766: The Namek arc happens as normal, but they don't need to revive the Z-Fighters (only Piccolo during the first session, and Krillin during the second).
Early Age 767: The Garlic Jr. saga happens as normal.
August Age 767: Future Trunks arrives, and deals with Mecha Frieza and King Cold. To speed the timeline up, the Androids are coming next year, because the changes in this timeline would have no affect on Dr. Gero's creations, so they have only one year of training. During this time, Piccolo and Kami refuse, and Goku gets Dende to remake the Dragon Balls. Cooler's Revenge, and later that year, The Return of Cooler happens.
May 12-16, Age 768: The initial fight with Dr. Gero and Android 19 happens as normal. However, instead of being affected by the Heart Virus, Goku manages to recover just enough to get home to take his medicine (from MasakoX). Vegeta deals with 19, and later, when No. 16, 17, and 18 come out, instead of fighting, they sense the upcoming three Androids, and tell the Z Fighters to deal with them, while they go search for Goku. Goku finds the idea of 6 Androids exciting, and he makes a full recovery. Chi-Chi forces Goku and Gohan to go shopping, and Super Android 13 happens. and afterwards, Summer Vacation Special, where Goku and Gohan recap all the movies. Sensing Cell's presence, Goku takes the Saiyans to train in the Room of Spirit and Time. Piccolo, not wanting to leave the Androids around, goes to fight them, and the story goes as normal until Cell announces the Cell Games.
May 17-25, Age 768: During the wait for the Cell Games, the gang hold a picnic to get ease their minds. Goku and Chi-Chi go to Gohan's college interview, and she forces them to take a day off of their Super Saiyan training to appear normal. Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan happens. The next day, with Goku and Gohan still tired from the fight with Broly, they take another day off their training. That day, Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans happens. Since the original version contains all the scenes in the remake, and then some, the original is the one in this timeline.
May 26, Age 768: The Cell Games takes place.
June, Age 768: The Other World Tournament happens.
Between June and December, Age 768: Bojack Unbound happens.
December, Age 773: The Year-End Show happens, where Goten meets Goku for the first time. The Son family recaps the Cell Games and Other World Tournament.
Early Age 774: Broly - Second Coming happens during the training before the 25th Tournament.
May 7-8, Age 774: The 25th Tournament happens as normal. Instead of joining in the search for Babidi, Krillin stays at the Tournament, but quits so Android 18 can have a chance to win. During Goku's fight with Majin Vegeta, and the search for the Dragon Balls, Android 18 goes to Mr. Satan to get her money, and Goten and Trunks tag along on their way to the battlefield. Bio-Broly takes place. The rest of the Majin Buu arc happens as normal, until the end. Vegeta refuses to be revived, and (from MasakoX) Goku sacrifices himself to kill Kid Buu. The two must wait for the Namekian Dragon Balls to recharge.
September, Age 774: Fusion Reborn happens, with Goku and Vegeta being dead throughout. With the wish at the end of the film, the gang with for all memories of Majin Buu to be erased. Later, the Namekian Dragon Balls recharge, and Goku & Vegeta are revived.
Age 775: Wrath of the Dragon happens.
Age 776: Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!! takes place.
August 18, Age 778: Battle of Gods takes place, rather than the saga in Super.
August, Age 779: Resurrection 'F' begins. Frieza is revived, and goes to train for four months.
Early December, Age 779: The battle with Golden Frieza takes place, ending in his death.
Late December, Age 779: The Universe 6 arc takes place.
Age 780: The Goku Black arc happens.
December, Age 780: The Tournament of Power happens.
Age 780 (alternate timeline): The History of Trunks takes place.
May 7, Age 784: The Peaceful World Saga takes place. Goku leaves with Uub.
Age 785: The events of the Nekomajin takes place.
Age 789: The search for the Black-Star Dragon Balls and the Baby arc of GT happens. I get the feeling there were a couple of major differences from the main timeline of GT, like maybe Piccolo does not die so he can appear in the Online era, or Majin Buu does not permanently fuse with Uub, keeping Majuub as a temporary fusion like Gotenks. The Pilaf Gang accidently wish for Goku to become a child, and the search for the Black-Star Dragon Balls takes place. However, Goku wishes on the Super Dragon Balls to be turned back into an adult after everything happens.
Age 790: The Super 17 saga and Shadow Dragons sagas happen. The only difference is that, instead of making Hellfighter 17, the Doctors make Super 17, so Android 17 remains good throughout. By the end, Goku leaves Earth with the Dragon Balls, deactivating them.
Age 791: Majin Buu creates his family, with the help of Future Trunks and Future Warrior, staring the Majin race.
Age 801: Vegeta senses his upcoming death, and leaves Earth to die in solitude.
Age 804: Gohan publishes his book Groundbreaking Science, leading many Earthlings to master ki control.
Age 805: Trunks and Goten start toe Kikoukenjutsu Sword School.
Before Age 820: The Dragon Balls return to Earth, after it has proven to survive without them.
Age 821: Krillin and Tien start the recreated Turtle School and Crane School. Even more Earthlings learn about ki control, leading to many super fighters.
Age 850: Xenoverse takes place. Future Trunks arrives in this time, setting up Toki Toki City as the base for the Time Patrol. Future Trunks summons Ace with the Dragon Balls, and the two go through history to stop Towa, Mira, and Demigra.
Age 851: New Namek is destroyed, and the Namekians migrate to Earth.
Age 852: Xenoverse 2 takes place. The Second Future Warrior has his adventures, and Towa, Mira, and Demigra are defeated again.
Age 853: The Namekians form a land to be more similar to their home planet.
Age 889: A Hero's Legacy takes place. Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. have their fight at the Tournament.

Thoughts? Did I miss anything? Any errors? Please let me know.
I don't see the reason for trying to put the DB movies together with the DBZ movies. Also, according to a famicom game released in 1993, the OVA "Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans" happened in an alternate timeline where Cell was killed but Goku didn't die.

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Re: The Movie Timeline

Post by Grimlock » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:52 am

Dragon Ball Online shouldn't really be here, as it is not a movie/OVA and it must not be seen as such. Also, didn't Herms have a timeline that covers the movies too?
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Re: The Movie Timeline

Post by DragonBallLove » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:45 am

IIRC Xenoverse 2 states that movies (or some version of) happens in alternate timelines/realities. Some remembers if is only one or one for each movie/story/character (namely Turles and Slug)?

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Re: The Movie Timeline

Post by Grimlock » Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:17 pm

Xenoverse doesn't specify, (and it doesn't need to) but they're talking in general. All movies (except for Movie 14 and Movie 15) take place in a different timeline, not "this one but not this one".
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Re: The Movie Timeline

Post by KBABZ » Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:07 pm

Ricardolindo wrote:I don't see the reason for trying to put the DB movies together with the DBZ movies.
Because the DB movies don't fit anywhere else and there's nothing in the DBZ movies that contradict them. In short, why not?

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Re: The Movie Timeline

Post by Ricardolindo » Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:33 pm

KBABZ wrote:
Ricardolindo wrote:I don't see the reason for trying to put the DB movies together with the DBZ movies.
Because the DB movies don't fit anywhere else and there's nothing in the DBZ movies that contradict them. In short, why not?
Chiaotzu and Tien's social positions.

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Re: The Movie Timeline

Post by KBABZ » Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:08 pm

Ricardolindo wrote:
KBABZ wrote:
Ricardolindo wrote:I don't see the reason for trying to put the DB movies together with the DBZ movies.
Because the DB movies don't fit anywhere else and there's nothing in the DBZ movies that contradict them. In short, why not?
Chiaotzu and Tien's social positions.
And they can't, like, depart the throne every once in a while to help out their old friends in need?

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Re: The Movie Timeline

Post by Bebi Hatchiyack » Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:27 pm

This is how I see things for the Z movie portion to fit.

MOVIE 1: DEAD ZONE
For works this movie need to be but before raditz (thx captain obvious) and having when Goku meet everyone at Kame-House at least Kuririn remember Gohan.

MOVIE 2,3 AND 4: THE WORLD'S STRONGEST, THE THREE OF MIGHT AND LORD SLUG
For works those movie to be but as follow, Movie 2 Goku's dead after the fight with Raditz Dr Uiro target then Piccolo and capture him during the time he train with Gohan Kuririn and co arrive for help Gohan at saving Piccolo, Gohan defeat Dr Uiro with the help of a freed Piccolo. Movie 3 here simple Nappa and Vegeta arrive but so Tullece and his gang here Vegeta challenge also Tullece and a three way fight start most of the Z warrior survive and Tullece gang is defeated but so is Nappa and Vegeta is leaving earth in bad shape after having fight Tullece and Goku. Movie 3 earth is recovering from the Three of might damage Lord Slug arrive and defeat all the Z Warrior except Kuririn and Gohan thus makes the move to the Namek arc.

MOVIE 5: COOLER'S REVENGE
This one for works simple that come right after Mecha Frieza/King Cold defeat at the hand of Mirai Trunks, Goku don't turn Super Saiyan because he think he can deal with Cooler without the use of this transformation much to his regret seeing Cooler powering up and having made few mistake.

MOVIE 6: THE RETURN OF COOLER
This movie happen during the three years training, instead of having Vegeta turning for first time in Super Saiyan before Android 19 he turn Super Saiyan for the first time against Metal Cooler armies.

MOVIE 7: SUPER ANDROID 13
Still during the three years training before the Android at the south island here Android 13, 14 and 15 are released sooner than Gero expected at one of his Labo and they start running havoc, cause Goku's gang to meet them and defeat them, but here Piccolo defeat Android 14 instead of Mirai Trunks. Then shortly after the event at the south island happen.

MOVIE 8: BROLY - THE LEGENDARY SUPER SAIYAN
Happen during the 10 days allowed by Cell simple.

MOVIE 9: BOJACK UNBOUND
Few days or one year after Cell defeat, Frankly this one is the only movie without problem of inconsistency lol

MOVIE 10: BROLY - SECOND COMING
I see it fit during the training time before the 25th tournament.

MOVIE 11 AND 12: BIO-BROLY AND FUSION REBORN
Those movie can happen for works let's say that the fight in Babidi spaceship have more lenght in time because of Babidi magic, so Trunks and Goten before going to fight Majin Buu, they go with Android 18 and Satan to meet the famous rich guy who created Bio Broly and defeat him, all of that happen just after the tournament in a time frame of let's say five hours or so, then Trunks and Goten learn from Videl what's happened with the gang and went to meet them. As for Janemba awakening how about make it happen when Super Buu kills all human on earth, the soul gathering at the guard post become suddenly overloaded and like in the movie one of the ogre make a mistake and paf Janemba is born due to Super Buu mayhem on earth, so during this day Goku and Vegeta would have fused twice by two method different, also for convenience let's say that hell wrecking havoc on earth doesn't happen so the Z-Warrior have just to dealt with two threat.

MOVIE 13: WRATH OF THE DRAGON
I'll put a twist with this movie by including some element from the OVA Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!! Here Tarble will be in Konatsian outfit there will be no Gure and Abo&Cado will be minion for Hoi and his scheme, Tarble would have a mission to stop Hoi by mission tasked by the elder of planet Konats, he would have save Tapion brother but still lost to Hoi scheme because Hoi would have secured the bottom half of Hirudegarn, Tarble would have been able to turn Super Saiyan and have some sexy sword play with a bit of magical power. Abo and Cado would be tough also and they would be able to fuse.

Then Battle of Gods happen and Ressurection of F too without problem.

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Re: The Movie Timeline

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Return my Gohan/Dead Zone

Saiyan Arc
Changes:
Goku and Piccolo are slightly stronger so Goku reaches Kaio faster and also returns just in time to save Piccolo with a Senzu. Furthermore no good guy actually dies.

The world's strongest guy
A super decisive battle for Earth/The Tree of Might
Super Saiyan Goku/Lord Slug

Changes:
The Dragon Balls are used in all those movies. Let's just say Kami chucked them in the RoSaT after every use as a reward to the heroes for constantly saving Earth.

Garlic Junior Arc
Changes:
Piccolo somehow dies here and so they have to go to Namek.

Freeza Arc
Changes:
A lot. Major ones being that the Eldest is now Moori, so no premature death and instead he just deactivates the Dragon Balls, the Ginyu Force aren't encountered yet, Piccolo merges with Kami in the afterlife and Goku defeats Freeza with the Genkidama, so he doesn't have SS yet. Moori then wishes everyone back, as he had already upgraded the balls after being given the post. He allows Dende to become Earth's new Kami. Goku then returns to Earth with Dende and the others without going to Yardrat yet.

The incredible strongest vs strongest/Cooler's revenge
Notes:
Goku's first SS transformation.

Yardrat Arc
Notes:
A Yardrat comes to Earth after having heard of Goku defeating Freeza. Since it took Goku and co. so long to go to Namek, Planet Yardrat was succesfully subjugated by the Ginyu Force, as they were planned to do in the original timeline. Goku and co. manage to beat the Ginyu Force and Goku stays on the Planet longer to learn Teleportation.

Mecha Freeza
Changes:
none.

Clash! 10 billion powerful warriors/The return of Cooler
Notes:
No one other than Goku witnessed Vegeta's SS transformation, so it can fit prior to the reveal against #19, of course Goku is rather cool with it, if this is the first time he sees it.

Android Arc
Changes:
Goku starts the arc on the bench as the heart virus struck 3 days prior. So this is his last day of recovery.
Vegeta thus fights #19 without being fully aware of his absorption ability, but he manages, as it doesn't take a genius to figure out he sucks from his hands.
Dr. Gero then releases the Androids after Piccolo trashed him about a bit, so as normal until he does so.
In the meantime Goku has awoken and gets Chi Chi to make him some food.
Vegeta, Trunks and co. gets smashed as normal, but then Goku appears, now ready to fight the Androids. The others get Senzu and are ready for round 2.
They fight and do well, but it's clear the androids have the upperhand. 16 steps in and he smashes.
After beating them all he realizes that he doesn't want to kill Goku anymore and wants to watch birds instead. 17 and 18 realize the same and they depart, wanting to live their own lives without Dr. Gero's ghost influencing them anymore.

Extreme battle! The 3 great Super Saiyans/Super Android 13!

Cell Arc, part 1
Changes:
It's apparently peace time, but then strange things start happening in cities. Bulma, Gohan and Future Trunks also find the time-machine and Piccolo encounters Cell.
Cell escapes as normal and the Saiyans decide to use the RoSaT.
With the androids pacified, Cell has no way of finding 17 and 18, but the Z squad can't find him either, so 16 confronts Cell and seemingly beats him.
The Dragon Balls are then used to wish everyone back.
It's peace time for now.

Burn up! A red-hot, raging, super-fierce fight/Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan

Cell Arc, part 2
Changes:
Cell has managed to survive and unbeknownst to everyone else he has managed to find 17 and 18 and successfully absorbed them before getting found out. Vegeta and Trunks challenges him, but end up losing, which prompts Cell to create the Cell Games. Then things go as normal.

The galaxy at the brink! The Super incredible guy/Bojack unbound

Great Saiyaman Arc
Changes:
Things go as normal, but Videl is also told of the Dragon Balls.

The dangerous duo! Super-warriors can't rest/Broly - second coming

Buu Arc, part 1
Changes:
The order is changed for Babidi's hideout, Gohan first, then Vegeta, then Goku. All taken care of easily, but Babidi escapes. Goku and Vegeta have their battle, where Goku bests Vegeta in SS2 and afterwards leaves way before his 24h time limit. Kaioshin and Kibito stay on Earth for now, as the threat is still there.

Super-warrior defeat! I'm the one, who'll win/Bio-Broly

Buu Arc, part 2
Changes:
Babidi managed to get some of Broly's cells himself, so he makes a clone too and drains him for his power to revive Buu. Buu is then revived and Kaioshin and Kibito summon Vegeta and co. but Vegeta ends up dead and Buu and Babidi are left free to roam. Goku who hasn't used up his 24h gets to comeback and unleashes SS3 and then afterwards begins teaching Trunks and Goten the Fusion Dance.
Mr. Satan is dispatched to defeat Buu, but instead he befriends him. Dende and Piccolo takes note of this and concludes there is peace, thus Gotenks is not sent out to fight Buu. The Dragon Balls are used and there is peace for now.

The rebirth of Fusion! Goku and Vegeta/Fusion reborn

Buu Arc, part 3
Changes:
Kaioshin and Kibito take Gohan to their World, because Kaioshin is not convinced Buu will stay good. Goku joins not long afterwards and the Elder Kaioshin is released from the Z-Sword. Meanwhile somebody pisses Buu off so much, he releases his inner evil and Super Buu is formed. Super Buu then fights Gotenks, before Gohan shows up on the scene and fights him instead. Buu then absorbs Gotenks and Goku and Vegeta are dispatched to Earth. Buu manages to absorb Gohan and get to Vegeta before Goku, but Goku has powered up in the afterlife and he surprises Buu with his incredible power. Goku then manages to free the others from the inside and at the end beats Kid Buu singlehandedly.

Dragon Fist Explosion! If Goku won't do it, who will?/Wrath of the Dragon

That's my timeline. It's very wonky and full of asspulls, but fitting it all together was quite a pain.
I prefer to write the story around the movies, in a sense, that the movies don't change, only the plot leading up to it and afterwards.
I think there's room for improvements, but this covers it mostly.

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Re: The Movie Timeline

Post by FFJamie94 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:21 pm

I kind of put the Movies as being Side-Stories to the anime.
It's like a Game like Fallout where you have the main quest (or whatever quest you are following) and you gear off into a side quest.
That's the movies for me, just things may happen inbetween the smaller events.

I understand there will be some contradictions (some major ones), but I kind of handwave these away.
Canon isn't really important to DB in my mind, Content and Context are however.

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Re: The Movie Timeline

Post by shadowfox87 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:27 pm

Why are you putting "The Episode of Bardock" at 238 Years Before Age? First, that isn't canon. Only DB Minus and 2 panels in Chapter 308 are canon regarding Bardock. Second, The Episode of Bardock takes place on Planet Plant. The Super Saiyan of legend from 238 years Before Age is on the original saiyan planet BEFORE Planet Plant - Sadal. It's obvious that it is Yamoshi.
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Post by Grimlock » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:45 pm

shadowfox87 wrote:Why are you putting "The Episode of Bardock" at 238 Years Before Age?
Yeah, if Bardock was really sent exactly one thousand years to the past, it should be: AGE 737 - 1000 = AGE 263 (before age). Or, if you take "Jaco, the Galactic Patrolman" into consideration, it should be: AGE 739 - 1000 = AGE 261 (before age).
shadowfox87 wrote:First, that isn't canon
Firstly, it is not necessary a work to be "canon" (canonical is the right word) in order to appear/be listed. Secondly, there is no canon in Dragon Ball.
shadowfox87 wrote:Only DB Minus and 2 panels in Chapter 308 are canon regarding Bardock.
Because Dragon Ball franchise does not have a canon, one can consider Dragon Ball Online as well.
shadowfox87 wrote:The Super Saiyan of legend from 238 years Before Age is on the original saiyan planet BEFORE Planet Plant - Sadal. It's obvious that it is Yamoshi.
We shouldn't really try to give a date for Toriyama's recent information. It can take place whenever Toriyama decided to settle it, we'll only know for sure when the movie is released.
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Grimlock wrote:We shouldn't really try to give a date for Toriyama's recent information. It can take place whenever Toriyama decided to settle it, we'll only know for sure when the movie is released.
Whether you give a date or not, Toriyama literally said that Yamoshi is from the planet before Planet Vegeta. The Episode of Bardock takes place on Planet Plant. According to the timeline, it was not until Age 550 that they arrived on Planet Plant, which is more than 700 years AFTER 238 years Before Age. The first Super Saiyan is Yamoshi, it's canon. The Episode of Bardock, not only is not canon, but it will not fit with the timeline or story.

If you want to consider DB Online as canon, that's fine but that takes place much later in the future. We are talking about the past. The DB verse does have a canon - it's the DB/DBZ manga and Toriyama's words which cannot be superseded by any movie or fan-manga.
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Post by Grimlock » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:00 pm

I don't think Toriyama knows the timeline. Mainly from events that happened prior to the beginning of Dragon Ball. I'm pretty sure if he feels like it, he will change stuff in order to fit better with what he wants. Hell, he even retconned the date of planet Vegeta's destruction.
shadowfox87 wrote:The DB verse does have a canon - it's the DB/DBZ manga and Toriyama's words which cannot be superseded by any movie or fan-manga.
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Post by shadowfox87 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:04 pm

Grimlock wrote:I don't think Toriyama knows the timeline. Mainly from events that happened prior to the beginning of Dragon Ball. I'm pretty sure if he feels like it, he will change stuff in order to fit better with what he wants. Hell, he even retconned the date of planet Vegeta's destruction.
So far, there has not been any major contradictions in the continuity of Dragon Ball from DB to DBZ to Super by Toriyama. The only thing that changed was Goku's age was altered so that he's 3 years old when he left as a baby from Planet Vegeta. He can retcon whatever he wants as he is the author of the story and his last word will still be canon. DB Minus trumps anything that happened in the Episode of Bardock. There cannot be any other Super Saiyan after Yamoshi until Goku. Right now, the timeline makes perfect sense as Goku turned into a Super Saiyan at Age 762 while Yamoshi turned at 238 years Before Age. Thus, 238+762=1000 exactly which is consistent with Vegeta's words in the manga.

If you are trying to make your own canon verse that contradicts with Toriyama, then be my guest, but this is fact.
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shadowfox87 wrote:So far, there has not been any major contradictions in the continuity of Dragon Ball from DB to DBZ to Super by Toriyama.
In Dragon Ball Super manga, Bulma says that if a day passes in the present, one day passes in the future as well. This affects everything regarding to the timeline of Trunks' timeline. But we don't know if that information came from Toriyama, so you might be right, or not.
shadowfox87 wrote:The only thing that changed was Goku's age was altered so that he's 3 years old when he left as a baby from Planet Vegeta.
And the destruction of planet Vegeta's date. According to "Jaco, the Galactic Patrolman", it happens in AGE 739, not AGE 737.
shadowfox87 wrote:There cannot be any other Super Saiyan after Yamoshi until Goku.
There cannot be as far as characters have knowledge of. Bear in mind Bardock transformed among Plantseijins, not among Saiyans. So when he transformed there was no one other than Chilled to witness that event. For members of Freeza race, they can acknowledge that a Saiyan transformed into Super Saiyan in planet Plant. They would have their own version of the legend.

shadowfox87 wrote:If you are trying to make your own canon verse that contradicts with Toriyama, then be my guest, but this is fact.
My canon doesn't contradict anything major in what Toriyama created, after all, I consider works that he was involved (or was mentioned in some other media): the manga, Tarble's OVA, Movie 14, Movie 15, Jaco, the Galactic Patrolman, Dragon Ball Minus and Dragon Ball Online.
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Post by shadowfox87 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:28 pm

Grimlock wrote:In Dragon Ball Super manga, Bulma says that if a day passes in the present, one day passes in the future as well. This affects everything regarding to the timeline of Trunks' timeline. But we don't know if that information came from Toriyama, so you might be right, or not.
That again, is nothing new. If you remember in DBZ, Trunks arrived the first time to warn Goku of the Androids and give him the heart medicine in Age 784. Then he went back to the future, waited a full year to recharge the fuel for his time machine and then returned to Age 785. Hence, a full year passed in the present and in the future.
Grimlock wrote:And the destruction of planet Vegeta's date. According to "Jaco, the Galactic Patrolman", it happens in AGE 739, not AGE 737.
Two years is not a big deal. None of the major continuity changes. The latest information is what's correct. Jaco the Galactic Patrolman trumps old info.
Grimlock wrote:There cannot be as far as characters have knowledge of. Bear in mind Bardock transformed among Plantseijins, not among Saiyans. So when he transformed there was no one other than Chilled to witness that event. For members of Freeza race, they can acknowledge that a Saiyan transformed into Super Saiyan in planet Plant. They would have their own version of the legend.
Yes, but it was Chilled that passed the legend of the super saiyan to his family after being defeated by Bardock. If Bardock was living on Planet Plant after that, he would eventually meet with the Saiyans would arrive there. The original story that Toriyama made was Fruits (Tsufuru-jins) vs Vegetables (Saiya-jins). The Plantians were another race made up by another author that doesn't fit with the story at all. Again, it's not canon. DB Minus is written by Toriyama. You cannot have both DB Minus and the Episode of Bardock be true.

Grimlock wrote:My canon doesn't contradict anything major in what Toriyama created, after all, I consider works that he was involved (or was mentioned in some other media): the manga, Tarble's OVA, Movie 14, Movie 15, Jaco, the Galactic Patrolman, Dragon Ball Minus and Dragon Ball Online.
It does, you just said you consider the Episode of Bardock which contradicts DB Minus. Tarble's OVA does not contradict any previous events so it is fine to include. Battle of the Gods does have contradictions with both the anime and manga. As the anime and manga were after BoG, it trumps it. Movies in general have not been considered canon for any anime. The original story is that in the manga but in DBS's case, the anime came before the anime so started the conundrum. However, it was later discovered that Toriyama works much more closely with Toyotaro than he does with Toei. As such, the manga again should be canon. The manga also has less plot holes and inconsistencies. But manga vs anime is a whole another debate. We are just talking about movies vs everything else which should already be known.

I mean it's nice that you are trying to fit in every movie and video game story into one timeline, but it does not refute what is canon no matter what you would like to believe. I would love to believe that Janenba and Broly are canon, but they just are not.
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Post by Grimlock » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:43 pm

shadowfox87 wrote:That again, is nothing new. If you remember in DBZ, Trunks arrived the first time to warn Goku of the Androids and give him the heart medicine in Age 784. Then he went back to the future, waited a full year to recharge the fuel for his time machine and then returned to Age 785. Hence, a full year passed in the present and in the future.
No, he waited eight months to recharge. During this time period, a new year came, while three years had passed in the past, when he returns to the present, it was AGE 767.
shadowfox87 wrote:Yes, but it was Chilled that passed the legend of the super saiyan to his family after being defeated by Bardock. If Bardock was living on Planet Plant after that, he would eventually meet with the Saiyans would arrive there.
There's no way to know that.
shadowfox87 wrote:The original story that Toriyama made was Fruits (Tsufuru-jins) vs Vegetables (Saiya-jins). The Plantians were another race made up by another author that doesn't fit with the story at all.
I call them "Plantseijins" out of convenience. I don't remember if they were given a proper name. For all we know, they might be Tsufurujins.
shadowfox87 wrote:Again, it's not canon. DB Minus is written by Toriyama. You cannot have both DB Minus and the Episode of Bardock be true.
And again, there is no canon in Dragon Ball. And I don't know how Dragon Ball Minus affects Episode of Bardock, since a specific time wasn't spoke out loud as well. It is also possible that Bardock went far more in the past than just "1000 years".
shadowfox87 wrote:It does, you just said you consider the Episode of Bardock which contradicts DB Minus.
I read my comments and nowhere I stated I consider Episode of Bardock. I said I consider these ones: "the manga, Tarble's OVA, Movie 14, Movie 15, Jaco, the Galactic Patrolman, Dragon Ball Minus and Dragon Ball Online." As you can see, no Episode of Bardock was written in there.
shadowfox87 wrote:I mean it's nice that you are trying to fit in every movie and video game story into one timeline, but it does not refute what is canon no matter what you would like to believe. I would love to believe that Janenba and Broly are canon, but they just are not.
I'm not trying to fit anything. That is my "headcanon", the way I want to enjoy this series because, again, there is no canon in Dragon Ball. So the fact that there's no canon here allows me to enjoy this franchise whatever the way I want. You don't acknowledge those movies characters in you "headcanon" simply because you don't want, under the false idea that there is a canon. You're stuck in a bubble, preventing you from experiencing stuff from other points of view, other ways to enjoy this franchise. But once you realize that, you'll see clearer and you won't give a crap about canonicity the way you give it now.

Believe me, I know this because I was like you. I used to think like you do now. Then I realized the only person losing things, preventing me from enjoying more of things was myself, all because of this idiotic thing that is "canonicity".
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Re: The Movie Timeline

Post by shadowfox87 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:04 pm

Grimlock wrote:I'm not trying to fit anything. That is my "headcanon", the way I want to enjoy this series because, again, there is no canon in Dragon Ball. So the fact that there's no canon here allows me to enjoy this franchise whatever the way I want. You don't acknowledge those movies characters in you "headcanon" simply because you don't want, under the false idea that there is a canon. You're stuck in a bubble, preventing you from experiencing stuff from other points of view, other ways to enjoy this franchise. But once you realize that, you'll see clearer and you won't give a crap about canonicity the way you give it now.

Believe me, I know this because I was like you. I used to think like you do now. Then I realized the only person losing things, preventing me from enjoying more of things was myself, all because of this idiotic thing that is "canonicity".
Oh, I still enjoy all the movies and non-canon stuff. The difference is that I acknowledge that it's not canon since it's not written by Akira Toriyama. The things you stated are canon as well for me including DB Online. I use head canon to explain plot holes or inconsistencies in the DB canon verse, but I don't try to fit in all the movies and spin-offs from DB Heroes, Xenoverse, or Episode of Bardock if there is a contradiction.
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