Why did future Cell arrive a year before Mecha Freeza's arrival?
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Why did future Cell arrive a year before Mecha Freeza's arrival?
Future Cell stole future Trunks' time machine and went to the past with it. Why did he end up in the main timeline before Mecha Freeza arriving? That doesn't make sense, considering future Trunks wanted to advise them he succeeded in defeating the androids, just like the future Trunks we know of did.
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Re: Why did future Cell arrive a year before Mecha Freeza's arrival?
Cause plot holes.
...or maybe Cell bumped the controls when he jumped into the machine or something, I don't know.
...or maybe Cell bumped the controls when he jumped into the machine or something, I don't know.
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Re: Why did future Cell arrive a year before Mecha Freeza's arrival?
Cell said he didn't choose the era. Trunks had already programmed the time machine for that era and he just pushed the button.Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Cause plot holes.
...or maybe Cell bumped the controls when he jumped into the machine or something, I don't know.
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The first one, then.ahill1 wrote:Cell said he didn't choose the era. Trunks had already programmed the time machine for that era and he just pushed the button.Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Cause plot holes.
...or maybe Cell bumped the controls when he jumped into the machine or something, I don't know.
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Re: Why did future Cell arrive a year before Mecha Freeza's arrival?
Nah, it's probably because plot. A whole lot of plot contrivances in that arc, like the fact that Kami knew of Cell's arrival for four years, but waited until he actually started absorbing people to act on it.Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Cause plot holes.
...or maybe Cell bumped the controls when he jumped into the machine or something, I don't know.
Granted, the story wouldn't have been able to progress without these things happening, but it doesn't make it any less stupid.
For all the Android arc's epic moments, there are equally as many, if not more moments of character stupidity.
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Re: Why did future Cell arrive a year before Mecha Freeza's arrival?
Yeah, the stupid thing is not just Cell arriving before Mecha Freeza's arrival, but also arriving in the main timeline. The Trunks from Cell's timeline wanted to tell the Z warriors he destroyed the androids, and those Z warriors definitely weren't the ones from the main timeline. If Cell hadn't killed Trunks, then the Trunks from Cell's TL would arrive in the main timeline and we'd have a meeting of two future Trunks lol.
Re: Why did future Cell arrive a year before Mecha Freeza's arrival?
Future Trunks' time machine was set for that AGE. Future Cell had no control over his arrival point. As for Future Trunks' motives, there are reasonable theories I could share but if you're looking for official explanations, they do not exist. Regarding Future Trunks' desire to revisit his friends after defeating the Artificial Humans, there's two options to consider. He either didn't travel back to the past or he made the trip after killing No. 17 & No. 18 in both timelines. Cell arrived years later for both Trunks, after all.
Re: Why did future Cell arrive a year before Mecha Freeza's arrival?
The only explanation I can think of is if future Trunks wanted to travel before Mecha Freeza's arrival and inform them about the way of defeating the upcoming threat, creating yet another timeline free from the androids. But that seems unlikely based on Piccolo's wording in the next scene and the fact that the future Trunks we know of just wanted to let them know he succeeded in defeating the androids, not go back to before Mecha Freeza's arrival and create yet another timeline, nor would it make sense considering there's already a timeline besides his own in which the androids were defeated (probably by the control).Nejishiki wrote:Future Trunks' time machine was set for that AGE. Future Cell had no control over his arrival point. As for Future Trunks' motives, there are reasonable theories I could share but if you're looking for official explanations, they do not exist. Regarding Future Trunks' desire to revisit his peers after defeating the Artificial Humans, there's two options to consider. He either didn't travel back to the past or he made the trip after killing No. 17 & No. 18 in both timelines. Cell arrived years later for both Trunks, after all.
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I'm referring to the original Future Trunks' plan to travel further backwards for debatable motives, which may have made sense if dead men could talk. Unfortunately, we don't know but I rather not dismiss him entirely based on assumption. I asked to consider that he may have took the report trip first, which you were questioning, and was murdered years later before a second trip. Our Future Trunks had foresight to deviate from his original life through knowledge of Cell & probably only had one report trip or none at all.
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Re: Why did future Cell arrive a year before Mecha Freeza's arrival?
Trunks probably didn't finish setting the coordinates.
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Re: Why did future Cell arrive a year before Mecha Freeza's arrival?
I remember he proposing such thing in the space ship, but Kuririn pointed out it wouldn't alter that timeline, it would just create another timeline, making Trunks quickly disconsider this idea.Nejishiki wrote:I'm referring to the original Future Trunks' plan to travel further backwards for debatable motives, which may have made sense if dead men could talk.
Who? Trunks? Cell killed Trunks in his timeline three years after the androids' defeat, just like in Trunks' timeline. But the difference is that the Trunks from his own timeline had knowledge of Cell, was prepared for this latter's ambush and had the strength to deal with him. Not so much with future Trunks from Cell's timeline, though.Nejishiki wrote:I asked to consider that he may have took the report trip first, which you were questioning, and was murdered years later before a second trip.
Oh yeah, just like I said above. But you do agree that the Trunks from Cell's timeline has had contact with the Z warriors from another timeline, right? And that future Trunks was looking to tell these aforementioned Z warriors he managed to defeat the androids from his own timeline... so why'd his time machine be setted to travel to the MAIN timeline, right before Mecha Freeza's arrival? That's what I'm asking.Nejishiki wrote:Our Future Trunks had foresight to deviate from his original life through knowledge of Cell & probably only had one report trip or none at all.
Re: Why did future Cell arrive a year before Mecha Freeza's arrival?
Cause Piccolo was a dumbass who couldn't put 2 and 2 together. Trunks obviously has no reason to travel to a year before Mecha Freeza's arrival, if he wanted to tell them he secured peace in his world.
Cell either bumped the controls or the timemachine works by having to actually stop it in the intended year, which Cell couldn't do as an egg and thus, the timemachine only stopped, when it ran out of fuel, which happened to be 1 year before Freeza's arrival on Earth
Of course there's also an alternate take on this, one I happen to prefer actually; that Trunks very much intended to arrive at that exact point to save the world!
Cell either bumped the controls or the timemachine works by having to actually stop it in the intended year, which Cell couldn't do as an egg and thus, the timemachine only stopped, when it ran out of fuel, which happened to be 1 year before Freeza's arrival on Earth
Of course there's also an alternate take on this, one I happen to prefer actually; that Trunks very much intended to arrive at that exact point to save the world!
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Is it Piccolo's fault? Okay, Cell mentioning he just stopped before Mecha Freeza's arrival should lead Piccolo to realize he didn't want just to say "I also succeeded in defeating the androids, don't worry...", but I think AT was thinking the way Piccolo told, therefore being his fault rather than Piccolo's. He seems to be mixing things at this point too, like how he drew Trunks killing Freeza in Cell's timeline, when it should logically be Goku doing this.dbgtFO wrote:Cause Piccolo was a dumbass who couldn't put 2 and 2 together. Trunks obviously has no reason to travel to a year before Mecha Freeza's arrival, if he wanted to tell them he secured peace in his world.
And why'd Trunks want to go back before Mecha Freeza's arrival? You don't think the Z warriors he had contact with managed to defeat the androids? And even if he wanted to travel back to before Mecha Freeza's arrival, why'd that happen to be in the main timeline?
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Yeah, AT definitely screwed up.ahill1 wrote:Is it Piccolo's fault? Okay, Cell mentioning he just stopped before Mecha Freeza's arrival should lead Piccolo to realize he didn't want just to say "I also succeeded in defeating the androids, don't worry...", but I think AT was thinking the way Piccolo told, therefore being his fault rather than Piccolo's. He seems to be mixing things at this point too, like how he drew Trunks killing Freeza in Cell's timeline, when it should logically be Goku doing this.dbgtFO wrote:Cause Piccolo was a dumbass who couldn't put 2 and 2 together. Trunks obviously has no reason to travel to a year before Mecha Freeza's arrival, if he wanted to tell them he secured peace in his world.
In the alternate take, we end up with the Z team eventually all getting killed off even with Future Trunks by their side.And why'd Trunks want to go back before Mecha Freeza's arrival? You don't think the Z warriors he had contact with managed to defeat the androids? And even if he wanted to travel back to before Mecha Freeza's arrival, why'd that happen to be in the main timeline?
Basically the first part of that world's altered history goes the same way until right before they find Cell's time machine. In that scenario with no Future Cell, things could have ended differently, even with Kamiccolo to match #17.
Thus the Trunks who grew up in that timeline would be told by Bulma how it all went wrong and how he couldn't rely on Goku and co. to beat the androids, so he would have to kill Dr. Gero before he got a chance to exact his revenge.
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Ok, but isn't Cell's timeline supposed to be a mirror of Trunks? So why do you think there was a Kamiccolo vs #17 and Goku being still alive when the androids started they destruction? Unless do you think Cell's timeline is that different from Trunks'?dbgtFO wrote:Yeah, AT definitely screwed up.ahill1 wrote:Is it Piccolo's fault? Okay, Cell mentioning he just stopped before Mecha Freeza's arrival should lead Piccolo to realize he didn't want just to say "I also succeeded in defeating the androids, don't worry...", but I think AT was thinking the way Piccolo told, therefore being his fault rather than Piccolo's. He seems to be mixing things at this point too, like how he drew Trunks killing Freeza in Cell's timeline, when it should logically be Goku doing this.dbgtFO wrote:Cause Piccolo was a dumbass who couldn't put 2 and 2 together. Trunks obviously has no reason to travel to a year before Mecha Freeza's arrival, if he wanted to tell them he secured peace in his world.In the alternate take, we end up with the Z team eventually all getting killed off even with Future Trunks by their side.And why'd Trunks want to go back before Mecha Freeza's arrival? You don't think the Z warriors he had contact with managed to defeat the androids? And even if he wanted to travel back to before Mecha Freeza's arrival, why'd that happen to be in the main timeline?
Basically the first part of that world's altered history goes the same way until right before they find Cell's time machine. In that scenario with no Future Cell, things could have ended differently, even with Kamiccolo to match #17.
Thus the Trunks who grew up in that timeline would be told by Bulma how it all went wrong and how he couldn't rely on Goku and co. to beat the androids, so he would have to kill Dr. Gero before he got a chance to exact his revenge.
Re: Why did future Cell arrive a year before Mecha Freeza's arrival?
If we go with everything Cell states and implies, he actually came from a timeline where there was a future Trunks killing Freeza and Cold. Instead of thinking of it as an error you can just go with it and that is how you end up with this alternate take on his origins and the reason why the time machine was set to that point in time.ahill1 wrote: Ok, but isn't Cell's timeline supposed to be a mirror of Trunks? So why do you think there was a Kamiccolo vs #17 and Goku being still alive when the androids started they destruction? Unless do you think Cell's timeline is that different from Trunks'?
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Ha, I thought that would be your answer But if there was a Trunks who killed Mecha Freeza, then shouldn't Goku survive, since he'd have received the medicine from Trunks? Yet Cell was surprised in seeing Goku alive in the main timeline.dbgtFO wrote:If we go with everything Cell states and implies, he actually came from a timeline where there was a future Trunks killing Freeza and Cold. Instead of thinking of it as an error you can just go with it and that is how you end up with this alternate take on his origins and the reason why the time machine was set to that point in time.ahill1 wrote: Ok, but isn't Cell's timeline supposed to be a mirror of Trunks? So why do you think there was a Kamiccolo vs #17 and Goku being still alive when the androids started they destruction? Unless do you think Cell's timeline is that different from Trunks'?
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Re: Why did future Cell arrive a year before Mecha Freeza's arrival?
I... never thought about that. It is basically a huge contrivance at best and a plot hole at worst.
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It is always possible that this Trunks wanted to create a timeline where he did not even need to tell them they need to prepare about the Cyborgs but a) tell about his victory) and b) immediately inform them how to defeat the Cyborgs.
This is just a fan answer. It has nothing to do with official word. But yes, I have thought about this for years. Also the answer is pretty much silly because the timeline where he got the blueprints should be a timeline already where they know how to defeat them. Because of the blueprints. So the only thing left would be the report of the defeat. And for that it is the wrong timeline. But maybe for the blueprints there were some losses. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. This is the speculation spiral where it is no longer of any use to think about it. Speculations over speculations but no actual answers, even if they seem plausible.
This is just a fan answer. It has nothing to do with official word. But yes, I have thought about this for years. Also the answer is pretty much silly because the timeline where he got the blueprints should be a timeline already where they know how to defeat them. Because of the blueprints. So the only thing left would be the report of the defeat. And for that it is the wrong timeline. But maybe for the blueprints there were some losses. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. This is the speculation spiral where it is no longer of any use to think about it. Speculations over speculations but no actual answers, even if they seem plausible.
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Re: Why did future Cell arrive a year before Mecha Freeza's arrival?
Oh yeah, Cell was surprised, which doesn't imply that Goku only died a few days ago, if it follows my alternate take, so yeah, that alternative can't completely work eitherahill1 wrote: Ha, I thought that would be your answer But if there was a Trunks who killed Mecha Freeza, then shouldn't Goku survive, since he'd have received the medicine from Trunks? Yet Cell was surprised in seeing Goku alive in the main timeline.