Why is Vegeta called genius?

[Kishido]

I love Vegeta... he is awesome... but why is he called a genius?

Ever since his debut he is lacking a lot. All the years he was fodder compared to Frieza and his men even while knowing how to power up through Zenkais... He gained nothing on his own after all. After Saiyan arc he had a nice boost but that's it. Goku came to Namek and went full circles around him again.

And of course Goku gained Super Saiyan first... Vegeta got it as well through crying and that was nice.... Still Goku outsmarted him again during Cell saga with FPSSJ... Vegeta even has seen it and realized what Goku has done but gained shit after his SECOND visit in RoSaT pissing himself seeing Goku and Cell fight... Not even talking about Gohan

Timeskip... Cool that he trained a lot and gained Super Saiyan 2 (won't debate it)... But so has Goku and Vegeta needed some help by Babidi to close the gap... But that's not it... Goku even gained Super Saiyan 3... Vegeta even admitted that Goku is better which was actually a nice closure to their rivalry... But whatever.

We go to Super and another timeskip... Even through some time passed he still never was able to reach Super Saiyan 3 on his own... Whatever you need for it a genius like Vegeta should do it... Why... because in the same series he was able to learn god ki and SSB... Only genius thing he has done so far... BUT after 6 month of training with a god tier angel. While Goku absorbed the power of the ritual he still had to learn to control it... And he came way later to the training...

In U6 arc Goku showed how he has learned using even Kaioken on top of SSB... Vegeta has no ability like this... So instead he goes training in RoSaT all the time... Still Goku still is on top.

Now let us see what he will show in ToP arc... he once again is just in RoSaT while Goku is hyped to the max in the opening with some new form.

But that's not all... As I mentioned with Kaioken... What fighting abilties he has besides Ki Spamming... I would rather see Krillin fighting with his head like shown against Goku than this stupid Ki spamming. Hell even our dumbass Goku is learning in fights and using strategies to overpower his opponent ever since DB.

And yeah I'm comparing him to Goku cuz he is the goal of Vegeta... Bringing in the hybrids like Gohan or his son Trunks and their learning everything in mere seconds would be unfair... Cuz not even Goku can keep up with this.

BONUS NON CANON GT STORY
here the same... Years have passed... And Vegeta still got no Super Saiyan 3... Later on whole I admit that Goku god help from Elder Kai with his tail, he still managed to get Super Saiyan 4... Vegeta cried... Thanks to his wife he cheated his way to Super Saiyan 4... But with one DRAWBACK... After the machine destroyed he couldn't go back to it on his own... Awesome.

As I mentioned in a Cabba discussion... he can be glad that Planet Vegeta was destroyed... I bet some other Saiyans like U7 version of Caulifla and Kale would overshadow him... There has to be a reason why Cabba has no interest about asking his ELITE King, he compared to Vegeta himself

[omaro34]

Piccolo called in a genius when it came to fighting but that's it.

He's not a genius. A genius doesn't get his pride in the way of common sense. Outside of Krillin, this dude is the main reason why Cell became complete in the first place. He could have easily finished off second form Cell, but didn't and got cocky. He even hurt his OWN son Future Trunks whom he just shared a whole year to bond with just to get a good fight, being incredibly selfish of everyone else' safety. He had a kid and didn't care about them or the mother of his child. He's not a genius. Please.

[Gog]

Vegeta isn't a genius, he's a fighting genius. He managed to break through the wall of Super Saiyan on his own, he also trick Dr Gero who at the time could have easily floored him into running away. Heck, Vegeta even admitted that Goku would always be number one in the end which was apart of the Prince's development.

[DBZAOTA482]

Piccolo called in a genius when it came to fighting but that's it.

He's not a genius. A genius doesn't get his pride in the way of common sense. Outside of Krillin, this dude is the main reason why Cell became complete in the first place. He could have easily finished off second form Cell, but didn't and got cocky. He even hurt his OWN son Future Trunks whom he just shared a whole year to bond with just to get a good fight, being incredibly selfish of everyone else' safety. He had a kid and didn't care about them or the mother of his child. He's not a genius. Please.

This is wrong. Many of the smartest people in the world are known to lack common sense.

[omaro34]

Piccolo called in a genius when it came to fighting but that's it.

He's not a genius. A genius doesn't get his pride in the way of common sense. Outside of Krillin, this dude is the main reason why Cell became complete in the first place. He could have easily finished off second form Cell, but didn't and got cocky. He even hurt his OWN son Future Trunks whom he just shared a whole year to bond with just to get a good fight, being incredibly selfish of everyone else' safety. He had a kid and didn't care about them or the mother of his child. He's not a genius. Please.

This is wrong. Many of the smartest people in the world are known to lack common sense.

Something that blatant given the circumstances and the stakes? I don't think so. The smartest people in the world could potentially lack common sense but not to that extent.

[Totamo]

On Namek, Vegeta was highly intelligent. He used his ability to sense and lower ki, to not only secure his own dragon ball but take out Cui and Dodoria. He was cunning up until Freeza then he got cocky.


In the cell saga, lets be real everyone is stupid.

[TheZFighter]

I've never thought Vegeta was overly intelligent and I can recall many other people trying to suggest otherwise.

[sintzu]

Most will agree he was smart in the Saiyan and Namek arcs but disagree on Cell and Buu.

In Cell he was called that by Piccolo when he mangaed to scare Gero away. He was the 1st one to find a form beyond Ssj and was the only one to know when to distract Cell.

In the Buu arc he figured that removing Fat Buu would weaken Super buu and he told Goku how to kill Buu.

[Generico Garbagio]

The closest Vegeta gets to a genius is by marrying Bulma.

[TheBigBoy]

Because he calls himself a "freakin' genius" in like the 1st or 2nd episode of the old FUNI dub.

I would say he's pretty smart on Namek. Basically engaging in guerilla warfare against Freeza's troops and does a great job on it. He's outclassed, but manages to stay a few steps ahead of them. It's not until his pride gets ahold of him and he thinks that he's a Super Saiyan that he becomes a bit of a moron. Saiyan and Namek arc Vegeta is pretty awesome.

From there on out, his only real combat strategy against stronger opponents is to try to outfight them. I guess he was smart enough to rip off Android 19's hands at least.

[Shinda Forever]

Please this chump is not a genius, he was humiliated by Goku all the time, he only believes in raw power and he never did a creative technique his whole life.

[DBZAOTA482]

Piccolo called in a genius when it came to fighting but that's it.

He's not a genius. A genius doesn't get his pride in the way of common sense. Outside of Krillin, this dude is the main reason why Cell became complete in the first place. He could have easily finished off second form Cell, but didn't and got cocky. He even hurt his OWN son Future Trunks whom he just shared a whole year to bond with just to get a good fight, being incredibly selfish of everyone else' safety. He had a kid and didn't care about them or the mother of his child. He's not a genius. Please.

This is wrong. Many of the smartest people in the world are known to lack common sense.

Something that blatant given the circumstances and the stakes? I don't think so. The smartest people in the world could potentially lack common sense but not to that extent.

When has Vegeta during the Cell Saga ever shown himself as concerned for the greater good? From the jump, he was always about being the strongest.

[emperior]

Vegeta has shown many times he's a battle genius, like it or not. But Goku is a even better fighting genius than Vegeta.

[Ki Breaker]

Vegeta has shown many times he's a battle genius, like it or not. But Goku is a even better fighting genius than Vegeta.

The problem is, all they ever compete against are geniuses, so one genius tops the other..
Even chiaotzu is a genius but outclassed by other better people who have the biology to support them..

Goku is the best of them all, if everyone is a genius he is a super genius

[GigaDrill]

Piccolo called in a genius when it came to fighting but that's it.

He's not a genius. A genius doesn't get his pride in the way of common sense. Outside of Krillin, this dude is the main reason why Cell became complete in the first place. He could have easily finished off second form Cell, but didn't and got cocky. He even hurt his OWN son Future Trunks whom he just shared a whole year to bond with just to get a good fight, being incredibly selfish of everyone else' safety. He had a kid and didn't care about them or the mother of his child. He's not a genius. Please.

This is wrong. Many of the smartest people in the world are known to lack common sense.

Something that blatant given the circumstances and the stakes? I don't think so. The smartest people in the world could potentially lack common sense but not to that extent.

You can be intelligent and let your ego cloud your judgement.
You can be average or below average, yet still have a good sense of humility so as to not allow your pride to get in the way of common sense.

[Akyon]

Vegeta's a genius in the same way Naruto's series deems genius. Goku in that scenario(Saiyan Saga at least) was using hard work to overcome his natural disadvantage of being a lower rank saiyan warrior. Vegeta is a naturally gifted warrior being the highest ranking saiyan you can be. He won the genetic superpower lottery on that one.

Battle smarts wise Vegeta is seemingly outclassed by pretty much everyone, not just Goku. Vegeta relies on being stronger than his opponent, or zenkai abuse and when that fails it's back to good old ki spamming. Honestly I find him one of the least tactical fighters in the whole series. I think the Zarbon fight was the only time I genuinely thought he had an ounce of strategy in battle and that was dropping sand in pretty boy's eyes.

Speaking of that arc; he was intelligent on Namek, outsmarting Frieza and his goons, but he still got outplayed in the old sneaky strategy stakes by Krillin and Gohan. Are they considered super geniuses since they outwitted him at his most intellectual?

[Bruma rabu]

Piccolo called in a genius when it came to fighting but that's it.

He's not a genius. A genius doesn't get his pride in the way of common sense. Outside of Krillin, this dude is the main reason why Cell became complete in the first place. He could have easily finished off second form Cell, but didn't and got cocky. He even hurt his OWN son Future Trunks whom he just shared a whole year to bond with just to get a good fight, being incredibly selfish of everyone else' safety. He had a kid and didn't care about them or the mother of his child. He's not a genius. Please.

Being an asshole doesn't take away the fact that you could potential be a genius, in fact more often than not geniuses tend to be just that assholes.

[MagmonKai]

To Be Fair, Caulifla was just Called a "genius" by Cabba and nothing about her strikes me as Genius. Maybe that term is overused, when the character can't explain why said Genius character is able to accomplish some feat or another. I think Vegeta just works really hard..

[Eight-Star Dragon]

Didn't Vegeta learn to sense ki all on his own? Seems he did it fairly quickly too.

[sintzu]

Didn't Vegeta learn to sense ki all on his own? Seems he did it fairly quickly too.

Yeah, I think he first showed it when he killed Dadoria.