Combining powers and defeating a stronger opponent

[SylentEcho]

We know, that most fighters in Dragon Ball prefer to have one on one fights, though a lot of the time fights with teamwork (Nappa, Namek etc.) seem way more fun.

This reminded me of what Freeza said to Zarbon and Dodoria on Namek; that they need not concern themselves with Vegeta's power increase, because by combining both their powers, they'd be able to defeat him. Can this actually happen, or is someone just stronger than two or more foes together, if he's just stronger than them individually?

The only instance where I can think of team attacks actually working, is outside the main canon in Movie 10, where the combined 'family Kamehameha' defeats Broli.

[cheddarsword]

Power levels aren't everything. If one opponent is only strong enough to take out one of them in a one on one, but not totally dominate them, then it should be possible for two or more to wear the opponent down with confusion tactics and making them waste their energy.

Once at a weak enough level, it should be doable.

[Polyphase Avatron]

There will probably be a lot of this kind of thing in the Tournament of Power.

[SylentEcho]

Power levels aren't everything. If one opponent is only strong enough to take out one of them in a one on one, but not totally dominate them, then it should be possible for two or more to wear the opponent down with confusion tactics and making them waste their energy.

Once at a weak enough level, it should be doable.

Team efforts with trickery or tactics have worked in the past, but what about pure hand-to-hand combat or beam struggles? Would two people combined be able to take out one guy who's stronger than both individuals?

[Ki Breaker]

Power levels aren't everything. If one opponent is only strong enough to take out one of them in a one on one, but not totally dominate them, then it should be possible for two or more to wear the opponent down with confusion tactics and making them waste their energy.

Once at a weak enough level, it should be doable.

Team efforts with trickery or tactics have worked in the past, but what about pure hand-to-hand combat or beam struggles? Would two people combined be able to take out one guy who's stronger than both individuals?

If it's pure hand to hand combat and beam struggle you are talking about..
Yes..
They manage to beat the bigger power
It basically turns into raw power measurements under given conditions, which can be easily be assigned a solid value, turning it into simple addition..

Z could be matched with a X and Y grouping when
X,Y < Z
Where Z is the opponents power and X, Y are it's two opposing forces

During the instance of
X+Y > Z
The result is them beating the opposing force with little to no difficulty depending on the LHS..

In the rare case of
X+Y = Z
It comes down to which side has greater skills, in which case more than one factor need to be taken into account and it results in greater complications including ∑ to ∫ to environmental effects depending on which way we wanna go..
We will thus ignore this instance..
It's too much work...

To give an inuniverse example, whis said goku and Vegeta working together would take down berrus..

[cheddarsword]

Power levels aren't everything. If one opponent is only strong enough to take out one of them in a one on one, but not totally dominate them, then it should be possible for two or more to wear the opponent down with confusion tactics and making them waste their energy.

Once at a weak enough level, it should be doable.

Team efforts with trickery or tactics have worked in the past, but what about pure hand-to-hand combat or beam struggles? Would two people combined be able to take out one guy who's stronger than both individuals?

If it's pure hand to hand combat and beam struggle you are talking about..
Yes..
They manage to beat the bigger power
It basically turns into raw power measurements under given conditions, which can be easily be assigned a solid value, turning it into simple addition..

Z could be matched with a X and Y grouping when
X,Y < Z
Where Z is the opponents power and X, Y are it's two opposing forces

During the instance of
X+Y > Z
The result is them beating the opposing force with little to no difficulty depending on the LHS..

In the rare case of
X+Y = Z
It comes down to which side has greater skills, in which case more than one factor need to be taken into account and it results in greater complications including ∑ to ∫ to environmental effects depending on which way we wanna go..
We will thus ignore this instance..
It's too much work...

To give an inuniverse example, whis said goku and Vegeta working together would take down berrus..

While your math is correct, he was also talking about a situation of
X+Y < Z
In that situation, I think stamina would have to be a factor as well. Of course, there's always Fusion. If what I remember is correct, then a good fusion is greater than the sum of it's parts. In other words: 100 + 100 = 250 give or take.

Also, Of course Goku+Vegeta > Beerus, because 80% SSG Goku = 70% Beerus. Even without Fusion I think it could be done, especially with SSB Vegeta and SSBK Goku. Hell, SSBK Goku should mathematically be able to do it on his own. But that's another topic.

[AvatarReiko]

So if the Z-fighters all added to Gohan's beam, would they have been able to overpower Cell?