Piccolo > Goten and Trunks?

[OWmyDragonBallz]

I think it's pretty clear that he is when his side was dominant when Gotenks's fusion wore off and he reverted to absorbed Piccolo state. But would that include greater than SSJ Trunks and Goten?

[dragonball0900]

Let's not forget that when the fusion runs out, they are always in their base forms. And when Goku and Vegeta found them inside Buu, they were in their base. Comparing Piccolo with both the SSJ kids is quite difficult for me at least. They are stated to be close to Gohan in the guides so it's possible that they are above Piccolo as well as how they were considered as the Earth's only hope. They might be weaker than Piccolo though, since Gohan and Vegeta were probably holding back against Goten and Trunks.

[precita]

Piccolo was stronger than a regular Super Saiyan back in the Cell saga after he fused with Kami. Why wouldn't he be stronger than Trunks and Goten individually?

[Desassina]

When Buff Boo absorbed Dai Kaioshin, he took on his traits without the latter being the strongest among them, so it's all magic.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

When Buff Boo absorbed Dai Kaioshin, he took on his traits without the latter being the strongest among them, so it's all magic.

I think it's safe to say that the Supreme Kai's have weird effects on Boo. He absorbed South Kaioshin and it made it him much stronger supposedly while the Grand Supreme Kai made him weaker and controllable.

[Rubens]

I don't see why Piccolo being stronger than ssj Goten and Trunks is a problem. Piccolo far surpassed regular super saiyan (not mastered/full powered) in the Cell arc and we only have the tournament fight against #18, who was also stronger than a regular super saiyan but no way near to the same extent as Piccolo, to gauge their strength.

[dragonball0900]

Piccolo was stronger than a regular Super Saiyan back in the Cell saga after he fused with Kami. Why wouldn't he be stronger than Trunks and Goten individually?

I don't see why Piccolo being stronger than ssj Goten and Trunks is a problem. Piccolo far surpassed regular super saiyan (not mastered/full powered) in the Cell arc and we only have the tournament fight against #18, who was also stronger than a regular super saiyan but no way near to the same extent as Piccolo, to gauge their strength.

Vegeta and Trunks were also regular SSJ in the Cell Games and they were stronger than Piccolo. Goten and Trunks are way stronger than Android 18, there's proof during the fight such as Trunks holding back his ki attack in order not to kill Android 18. So technically, Android 18 even though she's stronger than an Android arc regular SSJ, she's not really stronger than a Buu arc SSJ, or a Buu arc kid SSJ like Goten and Trunks.

[TobyS]

Piccolo was stronger than a regular Super Saiyan back in the Cell saga after he fused with Kami. Why wouldn't he be stronger than Trunks and Goten individually?

I don't see why Piccolo being stronger than ssj Goten and Trunks is a problem. Piccolo far surpassed regular super saiyan (not mastered/full powered) in the Cell arc and we only have the tournament fight against #18, who was also stronger than a regular super saiyan but no way near to the same extent as Piccolo, to gauge their strength.

Vegeta and Trunks were also regular SSJ in the Cell Games and they were stronger than Piccolo. Goten and Trunks are way stronger than Android 18, there's proof during the fight such as Trunks holding back his ki attack in order not to kill Android 18. So technically, Android 18 even though she's stronger than an Android arc regular SSJ, she's not really stronger than a Buu arc SSJ, or a Buu arc kid SSJ like Goten and Trunks.

Some of us still believe that 18 was shocked at how *relatively* strong the kids were combine with how dangerous they were being.

Regardless Piccolo was stronger than 18 before the time chamber plus 7 years of regular training. There's still a large gap that the boys could fit into between 18 and Piccolo.

[TheZFighter]

Piccolo was stronger than a regular Super Saiyan back in the Cell saga after he fused with Kami. Why wouldn't he be stronger than Trunks and Goten individually?

Boom.

[dragonball0900]

Piccolo was stronger than a regular Super Saiyan back in the Cell saga after he fused with Kami. Why wouldn't he be stronger than Trunks and Goten individually?

I don't see why Piccolo being stronger than ssj Goten and Trunks is a problem. Piccolo far surpassed regular super saiyan (not mastered/full powered) in the Cell arc and we only have the tournament fight against #18, who was also stronger than a regular super saiyan but no way near to the same extent as Piccolo, to gauge their strength.

Vegeta and Trunks were also regular SSJ in the Cell Games and they were stronger than Piccolo. Goten and Trunks are way stronger than Android 18, there's proof during the fight such as Trunks holding back his ki attack in order not to kill Android 18. So technically, Android 18 even though she's stronger than an Android arc regular SSJ, she's not really stronger than a Buu arc SSJ, or a Buu arc kid SSJ like Goten and Trunks.

Some of us still believe that 18 was shocked at how *relatively* strong the kids were combine with how dangerous they were being.

Regardless Piccolo was stronger than 18 before the time chamber plus 7 years of regular training. There's still a large gap that the boys could fit into between 18 and Piccolo.

The fact that Trunks was holding back, as well as Goten being able to make a good fight with Gohan (something that Android 16 and even Semi Perfect Cell wouldn't be able to do) is enough for me to say that the kids are way stronger than Android 18.

Though with Piccolo, I'm not saying that Goten and Trunks have to surpass him in the Buu arc. My point is that just because they are regular SSJ's it doesn't mean at all that Piccolo (post Kami fusion) surpasses them. Of course, they can be weaker than Piccolo, but there's nothing stated anywhere that they have to be weaker than him obligatorily.

[Dbzfan94]

Let's not forget that when the fusion runs out, they are always in their base forms. And when Goku and Vegeta found them inside Buu, they were in their base. Comparing Piccolo with both the SSJ kids is quite difficult for me at least. They are stated to be close to Gohan in the guides so it's possible that they are above Piccolo as well as how they were considered as the Earth's only hope. They might be weaker than Piccolo though, since Gohan and Vegeta were probably holding back against Goten and Trunks.

When they fused as Super Saiyans, the fusion wore off and they were still Super Saiyans.

[dbgtFO]

Let's not forget that when the fusion runs out, they are always in their base forms. And when Goku and Vegeta found them inside Buu, they were in their base. Comparing Piccolo with both the SSJ kids is quite difficult for me at least. They are stated to be close to Gohan in the guides so it's possible that they are above Piccolo as well as how they were considered as the Earth's only hope. They might be weaker than Piccolo though, since Gohan and Vegeta were probably holding back against Goten and Trunks.

When they fused as Super Saiyans, the fusion wore off and they were still Super Saiyans.

But before getting absorbed, they just fused as base Saiyans, so would return to that once undone.

[Kamiccolo9]

Look at the two different versions of "Buuccolo."





The first picture is when Goku and Vegeta are removing the pods containing people in Buu's body. The second is when Gotenks' fusion wears off, but the kids are still attached.

The kids give Buu fingers, a more defined face, and a thicker and longer head tentacle. Piccolo gives him a cape.

Which one really has the greater affect on Buu?

[Dbzfan94]

Let's not forget that when the fusion runs out, they are always in their base forms. And when Goku and Vegeta found them inside Buu, they were in their base. Comparing Piccolo with both the SSJ kids is quite difficult for me at least. They are stated to be close to Gohan in the guides so it's possible that they are above Piccolo as well as how they were considered as the Earth's only hope. They might be weaker than Piccolo though, since Gohan and Vegeta were probably holding back against Goten and Trunks.

When they fused as Super Saiyans, the fusion wore off and they were still Super Saiyans.

But before getting absorbed, they just fused as base Saiyans, so would return to that once undone.

Exactly.

[nickzambuto]

Look at the two different versions of "Buuccolo."





The first picture is when Goku and Vegeta are removing the pods containing people in Buu's body. The second is when Gotenks' fusion wears off, but the kids are still attached.

The kids give Buu fingers, a more defined face, and a thicker and longer head tentacle. Piccolo gives him a cape.

Which one really has the greater affect on Buu?

You're mixing manga and anime art even though they have different design elements in order to give the kids an advantage. Compare Boo's look across just one medium.

[8000 Saiyan]

Piccolo is definitely stronger than both Goten and Trunks, but not Gotenks.

[Kamiccolo9]

You're mixing manga and anime art even though they have different design elements in order to give the kids an advantage. Compare Boo's look across just one medium.

The Piccolo-Buu without Goten and Trunks is not shown in the anime, and I couldn't find a manga-only picture of the other form on google. Feel free to look one up if you want; there's no difference.

Edit: Nevermind, here you go.



"I'm mixing to give the kids an advantage," am I?

[fadeddreams5]

Well, if we're going by Super, then Piccolo is clearly superior now.

[nickzambuto]

You're mixing manga and anime art even though they have different design elements in order to give the kids an advantage. Compare Boo's look across just one medium.

The Piccolo-Buu without Goten and Trunks is not shown in the anime, and I couldn't find a manga-only picture of the other form on google. Feel free to look one up if you want; there's no difference.

Edit: Nevermind, here you go.



"I'm mixing to give the kids an advantage," am I?

Hmm, I don't think the differences are so pronounced in the manga. He does have more fingers and a thicker tentacle, but that could just be minor panel-to-panel art inconsistencies.

[sintzu]

Piccolo is stronger than pre-ROSAT Ssj Goku and Vegeta who are more than likely stronger than Goten and Trunks so I'd say yes, he's stronger.