How do Beerus and Whis(DBZ Movies) stack up in DBS Anime?

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Re: How do Beerus and Whis(DBZ Movies) stack up in DBS Anime?

Post by Meshack » Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:19 am

Bullza wrote:In the movie Beerus was only 66% stronger than Super Saiyan God Goku.

Whereas Beerus in Super from the looks of it is stronger than Super Saiyan Blue Goku using Kaioken x10 and Fusion Zamasu when he had the Halo. So he's literally many times stronger than the movie version.
There probably won't be a sequel to Resurrection F unless Toriyama is up for it, but you can't compare the movie and anime series this way because there's nothing to compare. The only thing you can compare is Battle of Gods and the Hakaishin Beerus Arc but then again, the two forms of media had different approaches. Toriyama told the anime staff not to destroy anything or atleast Western Capital. It's obvious in Super there's a different approach.

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Re: How do Beerus and Whis(DBZ Movies) stack up in DBS Anime?

Post by theherodjl » Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:23 pm

Its not enough that Beerus & Whis became stronger, but SSJB did as well.
According to the ROF film, SSJB was hardly stronger than SSJG, as SSJB Goku still was not strong enough to defeat Beerus despite the form being an upgrade from SSJG. It put him at maybe a 7 against the previous 6 he fought Beerus with, that'd make movie SSJB 1/6th or close to 17% stronger than movie SSJG.
While they aren't compared very often in DBS, more specifically the anime, are we led to believe that Goku & Vegeta are merely 17% stronger in SSJB than SSJG? Its such a close gap that it would make more sense using the more nimble and stamina-preserving form of SSJG, rather than a minimally stronger form with Ki conservation issues.
It should be closer to a x2 increase to really differentiate in power between the forms with how much emphasis they put on SSJB's power, if its not then there would be far less justification to use SSJB over SSJG within the story.
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Re: How do Beerus and Whis(DBZ Movies) stack up in DBS Anime?

Post by PerhapsTheOtherOne » Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:13 am

theherodjl wrote:Its not enough that Beerus & Whis became stronger, but SSJB did as well.
According to the ROF film, SSJB was hardly stronger than SSJG, as SSJB Goku still was not strong enough to defeat Beerus despite the form being an upgrade from SSJG. It put him at maybe a 7 against the previous 6 he fought Beerus with, that'd make movie SSJB 1/6th or close to 17% stronger than movie SSJG.
While they aren't compared very often in DBS, more specifically the anime, are we led to believe that Goku & Vegeta are merely 17% stronger in SSJB than SSJG? Its such a close gap that it would make more sense using the more nimble and stamina-preserving form of SSJG, rather than a minimally stronger form with Ki conservation issues.
It should be closer to a x2 increase to really differentiate in power between the forms with how much emphasis they put on SSJB's power, if its not then there would be far less justification to use SSJB over SSJG within the story.
The manga even gave a clearer picture of where the forms stood, numbers wise. Regular SSG was greater than unmastered SSB after its power went underneath 10%, but not so much that it was basically the better form overall. Plus, there's Mastered SSB, which is several times stronger than that.

And in the anime, we have Goku and Vegeta constantly progressing how strong SSB is in general, such that they're equal to True Golden Freeza, who himself got much stronger thanks to mastering his Golden form in Hell.

I think it's clear that the implications of the "6-10-15" scale the movies used were done only in the context that they were individual events and not serialized. A serialized format requires constant progression or some kind, and the medium has more opportunities to flesh out how characters like Beerus and Whis are portrayed. Thus far, Beerus, and by extension Whis, have been portrayed as much more formidable in the anime and manga thanks to the mediums' serialization allowing their fearsome power to be explored more thoroughly, such as not being entirely intimidated by the likes of Kaio-ken X10 SSB Goku, being arguably in the same realm as SSB Vegetto, etc.

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