Does DB Have Any Abstract Deities?

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Does DB Have Any Abstract Deities?

Post by theherodjl » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:34 pm

Companies like Marvel & DC are packed to the brim with abstract entities that manifest as the personification of various concepts(Time, space, death, entropy, love, hate, order, chaos) but is there any characters in DB that fit this classification?
Obviously Kaioshin & Beerus would be the physical embodiments of creation & destruction, within the game's continuity Chronoa would be the embodiment of time, and Zeno would be the supreme judge over all the universes similar to Living Tribunal but are there more?
Gowasu states something along the lines that Zamasu was attempting to become a metaphysical embodiment of justice after expanding his consciousness beyond his ruined body but how would Gowasu figure that? Are there other beings who have attempted something like this before? Some who have succeeded? Are there already some that exist and we haven't seen them yet? Where would the angels fit? As the embodiment of guardianship?
Any thoughts or theories?
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Re: Does DB Have Any Abstract Deities?

Post by LightBing » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:45 pm

Arguably Boo is the personification of evil, based on Mr.Toriyama's retcon of his origins(quote below). It fits nicely in my opinion, shame he didn't thought of it originally.
Janemba is another personification of evil, specifically the evil from mortal beings, if I'm remembering the movie correctly.

I don't think there's more.

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Re: Does DB Have Any Abstract Deities?

Post by Grimlock » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:40 pm

theherodjl wrote:Obviously Kaioshin & Beerus would be the physical embodiments of creation & destruction, within the game's continuity Chronoa would be the embodiment of time, and Zeno would be the supreme judge over all the universes similar to Living Tribunal but are there more?
Unlike Marvel and DC, which really take the concept of something abstract and give it a physical body/a form, that's not the case of Kaioshins and Hakaishins. They're all actual beings, not abstracts. They can be replaced by someone else. Being a deity in Dragon Ball is actually a job rather than what is used in Marvel and DC.
theherodjl wrote:Any thoughts or theories?
There's no abstract entities as far as we know in Dragon Ball. There's Buu but we don't know much about his origins and I would say that rather than being an actual personification of evil, he's just someone that is evil, and that applies to most of Dragon Ball villains so it's not what you'd call a legit "abstract being taken form". Still, that concept would be very welcome in Dragon Ball. I'd like to see the Megaverse taken form fighting One Piece's and Naruto's Universes taken form. :P
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Re: Does DB Have Any Abstract Deities?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:34 pm

Aside from Zamasu's final form, all of the gods seem to be physical beings
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Re: Does DB Have Any Abstract Deities?

Post by DragonBallFoodie » Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:49 pm

As far as I can tell, DB is primarily Japanese-Buddhist influenced, which means there are various levels of gods in charge of different realms of the Universe.

Maybe Zen-O counts as he's the king of all.
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Re: Does DB Have Any Abstract Deities?

Post by nickzambuto » Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:57 pm

A large part of the humor comes from the fact that the gods aren't these all knowing and competent immortals. You would EXPECT the gods to be abstracts, but then they turn out to be... basically the same as humans. Kaioshin is a coward, Beerus is... all over the place, and Zeno is a child. The whole joke is how deeply flawed the gods are.

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