Jiren vs. Zamasu

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Jiren vs. Zamasu

Post by OWmyDragonBallz » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:16 am

It was said that Zamasu killed "all the gods" or something of that sort right? So do you think it's safe to say Zamasu would easily beat Jiren.

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Re: Jiren vs. Zamasu

Post by Lord Frieza » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:44 am

Zamasu only beat them by exploiting the life link between the Kaioshin and the GoD. He killed all the kaioshin which resulted in the death of the GoD and the shutdown of every angel.

A feat of great cunning yes but not of power. Zamasu was considered a prodigy and incredable powerful by his own kind standers but he was beaten by SS2 Goku in the present timeline, anime Future Zamasu while more powerful then his past self still suffered multiple fatal injures during everyone of his fights and only survived thanks to his immortality and manga Future Zamasu was said to have not gotten any strongers then his past self.

So no its not an easy win, without immortality he would be beaten even more easily a Kale and Maji Kayo. Even SSR Black would be effertlessly curbstomped by Jiren.

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Re: Jiren vs. Zamasu

Post by OWmyDragonBallz » Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:55 am

Lord Frieza wrote:Zamasu only beat them by exploiting the life link between the Kaioshin and the GoD. He killed all the kaioshin which resulted in the death of the GoD and the shutdown of every angel.

A feat of great cunning yes but not of power. Zamasu was considered a prodigy and incredable powerful by his own kind standers but he was beaten by SS2 Goku in the present timeline, anime Future Zamasu while more powerful then his past self still suffered multiple fatal injures during everyone of his fights and only survived thanks to his immortality and manga Future Zamasu was said to have not gotten any strongers then his past self.

So no its not an easy win, without immortality he would be beaten even more easily a Kale and Maji Kayo. Even SSR Black would be effertlessly curbstomped by Jiren.
And Jiren is at the very least in the anime, more powerful than one of the gods of destruction right? What if that's Beerus and Beerus is the strongest god.

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Re: Jiren vs. Zamasu

Post by Lord Frieza » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:28 am

OWmyDragonBallz wrote:
Lord Frieza wrote:Zamasu only beat them by exploiting the life link between the Kaioshin and the GoD. He killed all the kaioshin which resulted in the death of the GoD and the shutdown of every angel.

A feat of great cunning yes but not of power. Zamasu was considered a prodigy and incredable powerful by his own kind standers but he was beaten by SS2 Goku in the present timeline, anime Future Zamasu while more powerful then his past self still suffered multiple fatal injures during everyone of his fights and only survived thanks to his immortality and manga Future Zamasu was said to have not gotten any strongers then his past self.

So no its not an easy win, without immortality he would be beaten even more easily a Kale and Maji Kayo. Even SSR Black would be effertlessly curbstomped by Jiren.
And Jiren is at the very least in the anime, more powerful than one of the gods of destruction right? What if that's Beerus and Beerus is the strongest god.
Hard to say. What Whis said was rumour "I a universe there exists a being not even a god of destruction can beat". He also said this mortal was stronger then a GoD that beat Beerus at arm wrestling.

Whis stated that Jiren was GoD level maybe higher, Shin stated Jiren's power was greater then anything he's ever felt befor (and he was present at Vegito and Zamasu's battle), Beerus was in total shock at Jiren's power and could not believe it (far more so then he was at Goku's SSBKK) and finally Belmod stated at Jiren cannot be talked about in practical terms and that he would never lose no matter who he's up agents. Whis also looks to Belmod when he says the rumour seemed to be true.

If all that is to be taken on bored, Beerus is not the strongest GoD and Jiren is stronger then a guy stronger then Beetus himself. Now there is still some room for speculation, some people are not yet fully convinced Jiren is that person but as I've already pointed out short of point at Jiren and saying it the shows hints may as well be a spotlight over him.

The fact he nosold Goku's SSBKKx20 and showed no sign of being in trouble in his fight against Goku's new power show that he's more the powerful enough to crush even Goku Black at the height of his power with no effert at the very least. All this add further credence to the idea he's the rumoured mortal.

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Re: Jiren vs. Zamasu

Post by Meshack » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:28 pm

Zamasu did not kill all of the gods. The only gods that were confirmed he killed were the Kaiohshin and that lead to the deaths of the Hakaishin. The Kaioh are gods and it was not said he killed them all and the various planets of gods of their worlds and they're millions of planets in the 12 universes. Jiren would easily defeat Zamasu and Potara Zamasu. Why? Shin said Jiren was the strongest they have ever faced. That immediately puts Jiren above Potara Zamasu because Shin witnessed his power firsthand. Also, Gokuh used Kaiohken against Potara Zamasu and he was able to hit Zamasu. With Jiren, Gokuh couldn't do anything. The winner is obvious.

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Re: Jiren vs. Zamasu

Post by OWmyDragonBallz » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:34 am

Lord Frieza wrote:Zamasu only beat them by exploiting the life link between the Kaioshin and the GoD. He killed all the kaioshin which resulted in the death of the GoD and the shutdown of every angel.

A feat of great cunning yes but not of power. Zamasu was considered a prodigy and incredable powerful by his own kind standers but he was beaten by SS2 Goku in the present timeline, anime Future Zamasu while more powerful then his past self still suffered multiple fatal injures during everyone of his fights and only survived thanks to his immortality and manga Future Zamasu was said to have not gotten any strongers then his past self.

So no its not an easy win, without immortality he would be beaten even more easily a Kale and Maji Kayo. Even SSR Black would be effertlessly curbstomped by Jiren.

"What Whis said was a rumor "In a universe there exists a being not even a god of destruction can beat". He also said this mortal was stronger then a GoD that beat Beerus at arm wrestling."

No, "In a universe there exists a mortal* even a god of destruction can't beat" is the rumor, what Whis said "The rumor appears to be true" is an assumption.
Whis said "There's a god of destruction* (not mortal) in another universe who is even stronger than Beerus who defeated Beerus in an arm wrestling"

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Re: Jiren vs. Zamasu

Post by Liquir » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:32 am

More feats are needed to establish Jiren's full strength. Infinite Zamasu is Multiverse level ( Manga ). Jiren is Stated to be above Vermouth , but is Vermouth the Strongest God of Destruction and is Jiren stronger than all Gods of Destruction?
If we establish G.O.D. to be Mid-High Universal level, than the difference between Jiren and the G.O.D. would have to be huge in order for Jiren to be Multi-Universe level.
Without this answer and more feats, I give the win to Infinite Zamasu.

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Re: Jiren vs. Zamasu

Post by Nero<>Akira » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:42 pm

probably a tie. keep in mind potaro fusion is both powers multiplied. honestly up in the air only cause of statements. hard evidence suggests Zamasu since he was possibly the strongest God ever besides Zeno.
Zamasu is the best DB villain besides Freeza (and this is only the case because the current Super arc elevated Freeza to be that good).

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Re: Jiren vs. Zamasu

Post by Lionel » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:11 pm

Manga Zamasu is many, many, many times weaker than the Jiren whom we've grown acquainted with in recent episodes. Anime Zamasu was more or less on par with SSJB Vegetto after having fused. Non-fused Zamasu would fold regardless of whether he was fused or not.

I believe the only iteration of Zamsu who could potentially defeat Jiren would be Anime Merged Zamasu.

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