The original Super Saiyan revealed!

[Grimlock]

As per the new and official book containing an all new interview with Akira Toriyama, he reveals (at least) the name of the one who became Super Saiyan before Goku, that is Yamoshi!



Check Herms's translation below:

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Toei's version of Movie 14 did not tell us about the one who became Super Saiyan God (I don't remember if Toyotaro also omitted that), that was kept in the movie, but it seems Toriyama acknowledges both the movie and the anime information (the Namekuseijin book).

[Metalwario64]

"S cells"? Seriously? Is Toriyama a fan of The Phantom Menace?

[Polyphase Avatron]

So it works via Lamarckian evolution?

[Meshack]

Yamoshi is the legendary Super Saiyan God? Isn’t it saying that Yamoshi is the legendary Super Saiyan and his sould allowed a Saiyan of the six righteous Saiyans to become Super Saiyan God.

[MR.Mark]

I'm sure this also ties in with harnessing these S cells with the tingling in your back, bravo Toriyama.

SSJ is no longer a legendary transformation, good riddance to it being taken to seriously anymore.

[Chuquita]

I may just be tired, but:
-so Yamoshi was the first to tap into ssjg, but after he dies he haunts other saiyans?
-If he himself was one of six, why would he be looking for six? Wouldn't five make now more sense if he's joining them?
-If this ssjg power existed before Yamoshi, why would he be haunting with it?

It doesn't matter to me too much....I'll re-read it after I get some sleep and see if it makes more sense then.

Also his name is two letters away from Yoshi and I have to keep checking to make sure that's not what I spelled.

[Meshack]

I'm sure this also ties in with harnessing these S cells with the tingling in your back, bravo Toriyama.

SSJ is no longer a legendary transformation, good riddance to it being taken to seriously anymore.

It’s legendary because most Saiyans don’t have a lot of S cells. Yamoshi was the first to become Super Saiyan and that should tell you something. It’s so prevalent now because one, Trunks and Goten inherited S cells (most likely) from their respective fathers and they were born without tails, probably boosting the amount of S cells they have and gaining some from their dads. The Sixth Universe Saiyans don’t have tails like Trunks and Goten don’t, making them have great potential.

[Meshack]

I may just be tired, but:
-so Yamoshi was the first to tap into ssjg, but after he dies he haunts other saiyans?
-If he himself was one of six, why would he be looking for six? Wouldn't five make now more sense if he's joining them?
-If this ssjg power existed before Yamoshi, why would he be haunting with it?

It doesn't matter to me too much....I'll re-read it after I get some sleep and see if it makes more sense then.

Also his name is two letters away from Yoshi and I have to keep checking to make sure that's not what I spelled.

No, Yamoshi is the legendary Super Saiyan and when he died, his soul began to wander and stubbled upon the six righteous Saiyans on Planet Vegeta and one became Super Saiyan God. Presumably, Yamoshi's soul allows one of the six righteous Saiyans to become Super Saiyan God, not that Yamoshi was the legendary God becaue he wasn’t.

[Chuquita]

I may just be tired, but:
-so Yamoshi was the first to tap into ssjg, but after he dies he haunts other saiyans?
-If he himself was one of six, why would he be looking for six? Wouldn't five make now more sense if he's joining them?
-If this ssjg power existed before Yamoshi, why would he be haunting with it?

It doesn't matter to me too much....I'll re-read it after I get some sleep and see if it makes more sense then.

Also his name is two letters away from Yoshi and I have to keep checking to make sure that's not what I spelled.

No, Yamoshi is the legendary Super Saiyan and when he died, his soul began to wander and stubbled upon the six righteous Saiyans on Planet Vegeta and one became Super Saiyan God. Presumably, Yamoshi's soul allows one of the six righteous Saiyans to become Super Saiyan God, not that Yamoshi was the legendary God becaue he wasn’t.

So he was a regular ssj1, but for some reason his soul wanders unable to pass on to Enma and instead can be summoned to possesses but not the usual way another saiyan through the ritual?

Makes the idea of both Gokû and Vegeta going ssjg at the same time interesting.

What a strange bit of lore. I wonder if any of that came from the earlier BOG script.

[Grimlock]

Alright, a better and more detailed translation. So Yamoshi is not the original Super Saiyan God, he was the Legendary Super Saiyan/original Super Saiyan. He's also the reason why the ritual is required to become Super Saiyan God.

[spoiler] [/spoiler]

[LightBing]

Hurray lore directly from the man!

I really like the S-Cells bit. It meshes well with Oozaru explanation as in Saiyans being really weird creatures.

It explains why Universe 6 Saiyans can go SSJ much more easily. It also explains why the Saiyans kids got SSJ with such ease; it lines up with my and I bet many people's previous explanation for this.

The only thing I find weird is Yamoshi becoming a spirit and searching for a new saviour. Why exactly?! How does this work. So many questions. I'm not satisfied with this part.

[Grimlock]

The only thing I find weird is Yamoshi becoming a spirit and searching for a new saviour. Why exactly?! How does this work. So many questions. I'm not satisfied with this part.

Not only that, Yamoshi's spirit wandered for so long and even traveled from one planet to another, as this event happened back in planet Sadala, the original Super Saiyan God appeared in planet Vegeta.

It's really weird. Just when we got some explanation, other bunch of questions appear!

[Meshack]

Hurray lore directly from the man!

I really like the S-Cells bit. It meshes well with Oozaru explanation as in Saiyans being really weird creatures.

It explains why Universe 6 Saiyans can go SSJ much more easily. It also explains why the Saiyans kids got SSJ with such ease; it lines up with my and I bet many people's previous explanation for this.

The only thing I find weird is Yamoshi becoming a spirit and searching for a new saviour. Why exactly?! How does this work. So many questions. I'm not satisfied with this part.

Maybe Yamoshi believed the Saiyans were evil because he and his other comrades did start a rebellion. He wanted the Saiyans to be morally good like he and his comrades were. We know the legendary God and his comrades did the same thing but lost in the end.

Now that I think about it, Barduck had a chance to become a Super Saiyan God if he and his comrades were righteous. He could have looked for two more righteous Saiyans if he knew about the God legend.

[Meshack]

The only thing I find weird is Yamoshi becoming a spirit and searching for a new saviour. Why exactly?! How does this work. So many questions. I'm not satisfied with this part.

Not only that, Yamoshi's spirit wandered for so long and even traveled from one planet to another, as this event happened back in planet Sadala, the original Super Saiyan God appeared in planet Vegeta.

It's really weird. Just when we got some explanation, other bunch of questions appear!

Spirits can follow people.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Killing the 20 year old questions dead Toriyama! They had lives!
[spoiler]S-Cells sound like Toriyama trying to give Super Saiyan the biology root it kind of needed- it doesn't tie into any other existing Saiyan traits at all- but then remembered that Goku got it because of who he was, not what. Super Saiyan as a stress hormone makes sense- but one that particular? Kind of a crapshoot there.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Yamoshi as a wandering spirit catching the mind's eye of spiritually attuned beings is neat and marks him as decidedly different, venturing back into Dragon Ball's more overtly fantastic- but the Saiyans would remember him very differently if he turned his golden justice on his own people! Maybe they share Vegeta's broad perspective and hold what memory is left of him as an ideal of Saiyan strength, rather than the character, as Vegeta seemed to do with trying to represent the Saiyans while not actually thinking much of his fellows personally.[/spoiler]

What a strange bit of lore. I wonder if any of that came from the earlier BOG script.

Quite.

[KBABZ]

"S cells"? Seriously? Is Toriyama a fan of The Phantom Menace?

Makes sense to me. The name is weird but it could plainly be assumed to mean "Saiyan Cells". I mean, it's called Super Saiyan after all, so it makes sense that it's something particular to Saiyan biology or genetics that allows them to perform said transformations.

Also makes you wonder if Dr. Gero skipped them over when making Cell, thus explaining why Cell doesn't attain something like Super Saiyan.

[Meshack]

"S cells"? Seriously? Is Toriyama a fan of The Phantom Menace?

Makes sense to me. The name is weird but it could plainly be assumed to mean "Saiyan Cells". I mean, it's called Super Saiyan after all, so it makes sense that it's something particular to Saiyan biology or genetics that allows them to perform said transformations.

Also makes you wonder if Dr. Gero skipped them over when making Cell, thus explaining why Cell doesn't attain something like Super Saiyan.

Did Cell really transform into Super Saiyan? People keep saying he did and there was even a conversation about it on Twitter when this stuff was revealed. I doubt he became a Super Saiyan but he did say he received a power up like Gohan. Cell just got a massive near-death power up. Don’t know why people keep saying he was Super Saiyan or even Super Saiyan 2.

[Son_Gohan]

"S cells"? Seriously? Is Toriyama a fan of The Phantom Menace?

Yes.

[KBABZ]

Did Cell really transform into Super Saiyan? People keep saying he did and there was even a conversation about it on Twitter when this stuff was revealed. I doubt he became a Super Saiyan but he did say he received a power up like Gohan. Cell just got a massive near-death power up. Don’t know why people keep saying he was Super Saiyan or even Super Saiyan 2.

I don't believe he ever went Super Saiyan. The closest to that would be the "Zenkai" effect where he comes back stronger after a near-death defeat.

"S cells"? Seriously? Is Toriyama a fan of The Phantom Menace?

Yes.

Aw, that's adorable! Toriyama Star Wars would be a great manga.

[AvatarReiko]

Wait, I am so confused. I thought the traditional "gold form" was the SSJ of legend, not SSJ god? If it was god that everyone was talking about, then where does the gold form come from?

Also, are we to believe that Yamoshi's SSJGod form was as strong as Goku's when he foguht Beerus? Because if that is the case, then no way could a bunch of average saiyans with PLs below 1000 have taken him out. That wouldn't make any sense. I ma guessing that Yamoshi's god form was weaker to due to him having a far weaker base than DBS Goku

If the amount of S-cells are dependent on the environment, why could Future Gohan and Trunks turn SSJ?