Who won Goku and Piccolo's first fight?

[RandomGuy96]

I've been thinking about this. We all know that, technically, Goku won the tournament by knocking Piccolo out of bounds (which somehow still existed even though Piccolo's shockwave attack had reduced the island they were standing on to featureless wasteland). But ignoring that- wouldn't Piccolo have been considered the winner if there was no outside intervention? By the end of the fight, both combatants were out of energy, beaten up, and could barely move. But only Goku had a giant bleeding hole in his chest. If Yaj and Kami didn't intervene, wouldn't Goku bleed to death a minute later while Piccolo could still survive?

[KBABZ]

I've been thinking about this. We all know that, technically, Goku won the tournament by knocking Piccolo out of bounds (which somehow still existed even though Piccolo's shockwave attack had reduced the small continent they were standing on to featureless wasteland). But ignoring that- wouldn't Piccolo have been considered the winner if there was no outside intervention? By the end of the fight, both combatants were out of energy, beaten up, and could barely move. But only Goku had a giant bleeding hole in his chest. If Yaj and Kami didn't intervene, wouldn't Goku bleed to death a minute later while Piccolo could still survive?

I think Goku would still be considered the winner if you think about how he managed to defeat Piccolo whilst still abiding by the rules of the Tournament, while Piccolo was under no such obligation and simply happened to also do it until the very end. That's pretty impressive in my books!

[Polyphase Avatron]

Piccolo did, because technically their first fight was Kid Goku vs. Piccolo Daimao, and Goku lost that one completely.

[RandomGuy96]

Piccolo did, because technically their first fight was Kid Goku vs. Piccolo Daimao, and Goku lost that one completely.

Different person, same soul.

[Logania]

I think Goku won. He was trying to eliminate him from the tournament while Piccolo is trying to eliminate him from the Earth, and he STILL managed to defeat him in the fight with the tournament rules to boot.

I mean, yeah, if we count him bleeding to death as a part of it then it'd be a bit different but that's after the fight. If Goku didn't get outside help afterwards then he'd be dead while Piccolo would be just unconscious.

Won the battle, lost the war?

[Michsi]

I still think it's Goku's win. Kami may have intervened, but Goku himself didn't ask him to, so technically he shouldn't be disqualified because of that. I don't know how strict the rules would have been had the match gone on like any other, but I seem to remember Goku being forgiven one time before because he didn't understand the rules.

[KBABZ]

I don't know how strict the rules would have been had the match gone on like any other, but I seem to remember Goku being forgiven one time before because he didn't understand the rules.

You're likely thinking of when Goku used the Nimbus to prevent a ring-out when facing off against Giran. He assumed it was allowed given Giran's flight, but since it was an external tool (and the gum was produced in Giran's body), Goku was caught out by the rule.

[Michsi]

I don't know how strict the rules would have been had the match gone on like any other, but I seem to remember Goku being forgiven one time before because he didn't understand the rules.

You're likely thinking of when Goku used the Nimbus to prevent a ring-out when facing off against Giran. He assumed it was allowed given Giran's flight, but since it was an external tool (and the gum was produced in Giran's body), Goku was caught out by the rule.

Yup, that one. I think the thing with Kami is a bit worse as far as breaking the rules goes, and in some sports it doesn't matter whether you had anything to do with the foul play or not, it's about the other party suffering a loss unjustly, but we all know the rules are malleable.

[KBABZ]

I think the thing with Kami is a bit worse as far as breaking the rules goes, and in some sports it doesn't matter whether you had anything to do with the foul play or not, it's about the other party suffering a loss unjustly, but we all know the rules are malleable.

Goku took action himself there and let Piccolo take a clean hit at him to make the fight fair. Honestly, at that point in the fight the Announcer was more commentator and wasn't really in a position to enforce nit-picky rules such as that one.

[Michsi]

I think the thing with Kami is a bit worse as far as breaking the rules goes, and in some sports it doesn't matter whether you had anything to do with the foul play or not, it's about the other party suffering a loss unjustly, but we all know the rules are malleable.

Goku took action himself there and let Piccolo take a clean hit at him to make the fight fair. Honestly, at that point in the fight the Announcer was more commentator and wasn't really in a position to enforce nit-picky rules such as that one.

That was more because of Goku's sense of fair play than anything, I doubt anyone but him still cared about the tournament at that point. (though in my headcanon I believe Piccolo was also still secretly playing along to the tournament rules because it can't be an accident that he didn't step out of bounds the entire time, even as a giant )

[KBABZ]

I think the thing with Kami is a bit worse as far as breaking the rules goes, and in some sports it doesn't matter whether you had anything to do with the foul play or not, it's about the other party suffering a loss unjustly, but we all know the rules are malleable.

Goku took action himself there and let Piccolo take a clean hit at him to make the fight fair. Honestly, at that point in the fight the Announcer was more commentator and wasn't really in a position to enforce nit-picky rules such as that one.

That was more because of Goku's sense of fair play than anything, I doubt anyone but him still cared about the tournament at that point. (though in my headcanon I believe Piccolo was also still secretly playing along to the tournament rules because it can't be an accident that he didn't step out of bounds the entire time, even as a giant )

I like to think the Piccolo does so to mostly to prove his superiority to Goku.

[Whatever]

So what you are saying is that if Goku was not healed by outsiders,he would have won the match by tournament rules(since killing the would be against the rules)but lost the battle since Piccolo would kill him?
Never thought it like this before but now that you mention it that sounds correct.

If anything its the same case as Gohan vs Lavender where both were unable to move but Gohan was dying due to the poison but per tournament rule was a draw.

[KBABZ]

So what you are saying is that if Goku was not healed by outsiders,he would have won the match by tournament rules(since killing the would be against the rules)but lost the battle since Piccolo would kill him?

When was Goku healed up again? I don't recall that.

[Whatever]

So what you are saying is that if Goku was not healed by outsiders,he would have won the match by tournament rules(since killing the would be against the rules)but lost the battle since Piccolo would kill him?

When was Goku healed up again? I don't recall that.

After he headbutted Piccolo when he ringed him out,Piccolo was uncoscious while Goku was face down on the floor bleeding.

[KBABZ]

So what you are saying is that if Goku was not healed by outsiders,he would have won the match by tournament rules(since killing the would be against the rules)but lost the battle since Piccolo would kill him?

When was Goku healed up again? I don't recall that.

After he headbutted Piccolo when he ringed him out,Piccolo was uncoscious while Goku was face down on the floor bleeding.

Okay, but that was after the match was officially declared over.

[RandomGuy96]

So what you are saying is that if Goku was not healed by outsiders,he would have won the match by tournament rules(since killing the would be against the rules)but lost the battle since Piccolo would kill him?

When was Goku healed up again? I don't recall that.

Yajirobe gave him a senzu after the battle.

[KBABZ]

So what you are saying is that if Goku was not healed by outsiders,he would have won the match by tournament rules(since killing the would be against the rules)but lost the battle since Piccolo would kill him?

When was Goku healed up again? I don't recall that.

Yajirobe gave him a senzu after the battle.

Okay, but that was after the match was officially declared over.

[ABED]

If Goku didn't have to worry about the tournament rules, he still would've won.

[RandomGuy96]

Okay, but that was after the match was officially declared over.

That isn't what this thread is about.

[KBABZ]

Okay, but that was after the match was officially declared over.

That isn't what this thread is about.

Okay, but how many times have we had a combatant down and out only to be restored by a Senzu Bean given to them by Krillin or somebody else? Gohan would have almost certainly died by Recoome's kick, and Cell would have lost a LOT quicker had Goku not given him the Senzu Bean.