Goku: Xeno power and feats?

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How powerful is Goku: Xeno? and what feats of power and abilities does he have?

[CTAkuma]

The most famous example is Xeno Goku defeating Demigra who after absorbing Toki Toki could control Time and Space and threatened to destroy the entire multiverse(plus real life). This puts Goku Xeno at Multiverse attack potency for being able to oneshot him, everyone who scales to Goku Xeno has similar strength

[Grimlock]

How powerful is Goku: Xeno?

Which continuity do you want to know?

what feats of power and abilities does he have?

Which continuity do you want to know?


Because it all depends on which media we are basing/talking about, as they are all different and Xeno Goku (and everyone else, actually) is not the same.

For clarification, there are: arcade (the main continuity. The one you should be looking at the most), manga (can also serve as supplemental material for the arcade), anime (can also serve as a supplemental material for the arcade) and the Nintendo 3DS games (kind of like a "filler", with events that do not actually happen if you put together with the events of the arcade).

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How powerful is Goku: Xeno?

Which continuity do you want to know?

what feats of power and abilities does he have?

Which continuity do you want to know?


Because it all depends on which media we are basing/talking about, as they are all different and Xeno Goku (and everyone else, actually) is not the same.

For clarification, there are: arcade (the main continuity. The one you should be looking at the most), manga (can also serve as supplemental material for the arcade), anime (can also serve as a supplemental material for the arcade) and the Nintendo 3DS games (kind of like a "filler", with events that do not actually happen if you put together with the events of the arcade).

The arcade and manga continuity mostly. Maybe the Xenoverse stuff.

[Grimlock]

The arcade and manga continuity mostly. Maybe the Xenoverse stuff.

For the arcade version, there it is. Xeno Goku debuts in GDM9... Starting from there, watch every video that has dialogues, passing through the SDBH series (there are eight missions) until you get into the recent material, Universe Mission.

As for the manga, well... The best way is to buy it and follow the translation of the chapters in Heroes thread.

There is no Xeno Goku in Xenoverse games/material.

[Rakurai]

The most famous example is Xeno Goku defeating Demigra who after absorbing Toki Toki could control Time and Space and threatened to destroy the entire multiverse(plus real life). This puts Goku Xeno at Multiverse attack potency for being able to oneshot him, everyone who scales to Goku Xeno has similar strength

Which Xeno Goku is this? Definitely not DBH/SDBH arcade Xeno Goku, who frankly should be the primary Xeno Goku to scale feats off of.

And honestly, your logic is a perfect example of why destructive feat scalers are mostly nonsense too.

[Bullza]

In the manga he was far stronger in Base form than Perfect Cell with the Dark Dragon Ball and he was strong enough to defeat Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan easily.

As a Super Saiyan 4 he was about as strong as Final Form Mira who was the final boss in Xenoverse 2and also Super Saiyan 4 Broly with the Dark Dragon Ball.

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In the manga he was far stronger in Base form than Perfect Cell with the Dark Dragon Ball and he was strong enough to defeat Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan easily.

As a Super Saiyan 4 he was about as strong as Final Form Mira who was the final boss in Xenoverse 2and also Super Saiyan 4 Broly with the Dark Dragon Ball.

How much more powerful does the Dark Dragon Ball make you? I don't think Perfect Cell and Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan levels of power is that impressive anymore. When dragon ball super Goku's base form is supposedly as strong as he was when he first fought beerus as a super saiyan god.

Is Final Form Mira impressive?

[CTAkuma]

The most famous example is Xeno Goku defeating Demigra who after absorbing Toki Toki could control Time and Space and threatened to destroy the entire multiverse(plus real life). This puts Goku Xeno at Multiverse attack potency for being able to oneshot him, everyone who scales to Goku Xeno has similar strength

Which Xeno Goku is this? Definitely not DBH/SDBH arcade Xeno Goku, who frankly should be the primary Xeno Goku to scale feats off of.

And honestly, your logic is a perfect example of why destructive feat scalers are mostly nonsense too.

More Ki=more power and guess what Demigra has Ki that scales his power, durability and speed, Xeno Goku took him out easily so its logical that Goku should be around those levels of powers

[Rakurai]

OP, if you're looking to compare Xeno Goku at his strongest with someone you might be more familiar with. Arcade SSJ4 Xeno Goku is one step below post-ToP SSB Goku. Manga/promotional anime SSJ4 Xeno Goku is equal to him.

The most famous example is Xeno Goku defeating Demigra who after absorbing Toki Toki could control Time and Space and threatened to destroy the entire multiverse(plus real life). This puts Goku Xeno at Multiverse attack potency for being able to oneshot him, everyone who scales to Goku Xeno has similar strength

Which Xeno Goku is this? Definitely not DBH/SDBH arcade Xeno Goku, who frankly should be the primary Xeno Goku to scale feats off of.

And honestly, your logic is a perfect example of why destructive feat scalers are mostly nonsense too.

More Ki=more power and guess what Demigra has Ki that scales his power, durability and speed, Xeno Goku took him out easily so its logical that Goku should be around those levels of powers

So according to you, anybody that one-shots Zeno, who has the ki to erase all of existence, should be scaled to multiversal++++++.

And again, where is this feat coming from? It's not from the main arcade game. Is it from UMX?

[CTAkuma]

OP, if you're looking to compare Xeno Goku at his strongest with someone you might be more familiar with. Arcade SSJ4 Xeno Goku is one step below post-ToP SSB Goku. Manga/promotional anime SSJ4 Xeno Goku is equal to him.

Which Xeno Goku is this? Definitely not DBH/SDBH arcade Xeno Goku, who frankly should be the primary Xeno Goku to scale feats off of.

And honestly, your logic is a perfect example of why destructive feat scalers are mostly nonsense too.

More Ki=more power and guess what Demigra has Ki that scales his power, durability and speed, Xeno Goku took him out easily so its logical that Goku should be around those levels of powers

So according to you, anybody that one-shots Zeno, who has the ki to erase all of existence, should be scaled to multiversal++++++.

And again, where is this feat coming from? It's not from the main arcade game. Is it from UMX?

It's from the game actually one of the victory missions. Yes, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you are able to beat someone in battle with more Ki/power then you are obviously stronger than him or else everyone would still be planet level in DBZ. Another example is when Cell said he is going to obliterate the solar system and everyone equal or stronger than him could logically do the same thing, its called SCALING

[Rakurai]

It's from the game actually one of the victory missions. Yes, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you are able to beat someone in battle with more Ki/power then you are obviously stronger than him or else everyone would still be planet level in DBZ. Another example is when Cell said he is going to obliterate the solar system and everyone equal or stronger than him could logically do the same thing, its called SCALING

1. Victory mission is the DBH manga by Toyotaro. Xeno Goku does not appear in Victory mission.

2. Your "feat" is definitely not from the arcade game. Xeno Goku DID fight against Demon God Demigra in God Mission 10, but with the rest of the Time Patrol including the player avatar (Beat, Note, etc). This is not a feat that can be quantified or attributed to Xeno Goku alone, or even scaled properly to the current SDBH stories (both Prison Planet & Demon Realm).

3. Zeno has the ability to obliterate all of the universes but apart from that, battle power & strength, he is nothing. Destructive feat scaling is fallacious and leads to people claiming "multiverse" durability or destructive power to the main heroes when that has never been implied at all. Dyspo could one-shot Zeno faster than he can blink but that doesn't mean Dyspo is multiversal++++++.

It's like claiming anime 17 is a universe buster because he can hang around with the likes of Blueku. Oh yes, because the writers wanted us to believe such a ridiculous farce. It's a meaningless and fallacious concept with no actual ground in the series, because it doesn't exist by the series' standards.

There is such a thing called demon/dark magic in DB, and it's not farfetched that this is what Demigra could use to eliminate timelines or abstract concepts. Unless you really believe Xeno Goku has "multiverse" durability or destructive capability, then that's just stupid.

EDIT: As I expected, found the source for your ridiculous claims.

https://imgur.com/a/4WibN

That's a screenshot from DB UMX. I don't know the story of UMX very well, but this is the source that vsbattle wikia uses to claim Xeno Goku is multiversal which is ridiculous. For one, Xeno Goku is fighting with the user and Trunks too it seems, so that's not a solo feat. Also, DB UMX Xeno Goku =/= DBH/SDBH Xeno Goku, they are separate Xeno Gokus and the main product has always been the arcade game, so to combine feats from all of those sources is not only misleading but also completely wrong.

[Grimlock]

Xeno Goku DID fight against Demon God Demigra in God Mission 10, but with the rest of the Time Patrol including the player avatar (Beat, Note, etc).

No he does not. Here are the last two fights against Demigra in GDM10, and as you can see, no Xeno Goku is provided by the game. Which is the way we know for something to have happened in the arcade. When someone fights the other, the player will only play with four cards (characters) and the last one the game will provide/generate (or in these days/in SDBH, the player will have six cards and seventh one the game will provide).

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I also think it makes little sense as if Demigra really had the power to directly wipe out timelines at will, why bother with trying to fight someone traditionally? Just make it so that they were never born in the first place.

[Rakurai]

Xeno Goku DID fight against Demon God Demigra in God Mission 10, but with the rest of the Time Patrol including the player avatar (Beat, Note, etc).

No he does not. Here are the last two fights against Demigra in GDM10, and as you can see, no Xeno Goku is provided by the game. Which is the way we know for something to have happened in the arcade. When someone fights the other, the player will only play with four cards (characters) and the last one the game will provide/generate (or in these days/in SDBH, the player will have six cards and seventh one the game will provide).

Hmm okay, I thought since Xeno Goku was introduced around that time (GDM 9 or 10, can't remember too well), he was also involved in the final battle against Demigra. So has Xeno Goku even fought Demigra properly outside of UMX (which does not even seem like a solo feat)?

I also think it makes little sense as if Demigra really had the power to directly wipe out timelines at will, why bother with trying to fight someone traditionally? Just make it so that they were never born in the first place.

Well, we know that that tactic doesn't work from the main series. Anything that you do in the past or future creates a new timeline separate from the others, including your foe's who wouldn't be affected by it.

[Grimlock]

Hmm okay, I thought since Xeno Goku was introduced around that time (GDM 9 or 10, can't remember too well), he was also involved in the final battle against Demigra. So has Xeno Goku even fought Demigra properly outside of UMX (which does not even seem like a solo feat)?

He fights Demigra in the trailers but the trailers are not something to take into account. As they do not reflect what truly happens in the game. They are mostly merchandising, showing stuff people can expect but not exactly the way it is presented in the trailers.

Oh, take this as an example, Xeno Goku fights Demigra in the trailers but they do not fight in the actual game.

[Rakurai]

Hmm okay, I thought since Xeno Goku was introduced around that time (GDM 9 or 10, can't remember too well), he was also involved in the final battle against Demigra. So has Xeno Goku even fought Demigra properly outside of UMX (which does not even seem like a solo feat)?

He fights Demigra in the trailers but the trailers are not something to take into account. As they do not reflect what truly happens in the game. They are mostly merchandising, showing stuff people can expect but not exactly the way it is presented in the trailers.

Oh, take this as an example, Xeno Goku fights Demigra in the trailers but he does not in the actual game.

Oh yeah, I never take the trailers seriously either as I know they're only meant to attention-grab the audience into playing the game. It's why I asked just to clarify.

Nevertheless, and rather unfortunately, many people outside of Japan will be mislead by them. They'll even take the promotional anime to reflect what happens in the game itself (which should be considered the main continuity for DBH/SDBH).

[CTAkuma]

It's like claiming anime 17 is a universe buster because he can hang around with the likes of Blueku. Oh yes, because the writers wanted us to believe such a ridiculous farce. It's a meaningless and fallacious concept with no actual ground in the series, because it doesn't exist by the series' standards.

There is such a thing called demon/dark magic in DB, and it's not farfetched that this is what Demigra could use to eliminate timelines or abstract concepts. Unless you really believe Xeno Goku has "multiverse" durability or destructive capability, then that's just stupid.


That's a screenshot from DB UMX. I don't know the story of UMX very well, but this is the source that vsbattle wikia uses to claim Xeno Goku is multiversal which is ridiculous. For one, Xeno Goku is fighting with the user and Trunks too it seems, so that's not a solo feat. Also, DB UMX Xeno Goku =/= DBH/SDBH Xeno Goku, they are separate Xeno Gokus and the main product has always been the arcade game, so to combine feats from all of those sources is not only misleading but also completely wrong.

1: There aren't multiple Goku Xeno's
2:Yes 17 can Universe bust if he can hang with Blueku since that's something that BoG goku could, its your headcanon that they can't be equal to Goku's power or anything
3:Feats and scaling say that if you are equal or stronger than your opponent you should logically be in their realm of power which Xeno Goku could oneshot against Demigra and everyone who scales to him

Your entire argument falls apart at "Oh Goku can't multiverse bust because that sounds so ridiculous", which is an argument from emotion and not something that holds any ground.

[Rakurai]

1: There aren't multiple Goku Xeno's
2:Yes 17 can Universe bust if he can hang with Blueku since that's something that BoG goku could, its your headcanon that they can't be equal to Goku's power or anything
3:Feats and scaling say that if you are equal or stronger than your opponent you should logically be in their realm of power which Xeno Goku could oneshot against Demigra and everyone who scales to him

Your entire argument falls apart at "Oh Goku can't multiverse bust because that sounds so ridiculous", which is an argument from emotion and not something that holds any ground.

1. SDBH Xeno Goku =/= UMX Xeno Goku, the latter being a spin-off of the main arcade product. There are multiple events that contradict the notion. See the main SDBH discussion thread for details.

2. No, it is something that the writers never implied. It's not an argument from emotion, it's from a narrative standpoint. What's more, destructive feats are often inconsistent as otherwise the battle between Blueku and 17 should have threatened the universe. Hell, Merged Zamasu vs Bluegito should have threatened the universe, but nope.

3. You have zero evidence of Xeno Goku one-shotting Demigra from any sources. Until you provide the proper evidence, that is your own headcanon.

[CTAkuma]

1: There aren't multiple Goku Xeno's
2:Yes 17 can Universe bust if he can hang with Blueku since that's something that BoG goku could, its your headcanon that they can't be equal to Goku's power or anything
3:Feats and scaling say that if you are equal or stronger than your opponent you should logically be in their realm of power which Xeno Goku could oneshot against Demigra and everyone who scales to him

Your entire argument falls apart at "Oh Goku can't multiverse bust because that sounds so ridiculous", which is an argument from emotion and not something that holds any ground.

1. SDBH Xeno Goku =/= UMX Xeno Goku. There are multiple events that contradict the notion. See the main SDBH discussion thread for details.

2. No, it is something that the writers never implied. It's not an argument from emotion, it's from a narrative standpoint. What's more, destructive feats are often inconsistent as otherwise the battle between Blueku and 17 should have threatened the universe. Hell, Merged Zamasu vs Bluegito should have threatened the universe, but nope.

3. You have zero evidence of Xeno Goku one-shotting Demigra. Until you provide the proper evidence, that is your own headcanon.

1:Guess what Demigra was fought in both and has his Makyou form
2:Again argument from emotion, just because you don't think it feels right doesn't mean it doesn't hold true to the scaling in the series, 17 is way stronger than BoG Goku who's punches threatened to destroy the universe and afterlife, again this doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
3:I confused it with Gravy who is also stated to be stronger than Demigra who was oneshotted by Goku, so i guess that's my bad.