Is Vegeta accountable?
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Is Vegeta accountable?
When Vegeta arrived on Earth, even though he technically didn't cause death to anyone by his own hand, shouldn't he still be accountable for those who did die?
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Culpability of leadership. Vegeta was technically the acting commander of the forces who infiltrated Earth on that day. He endorsed and encouraged all of the atrocities that occurred. They may not have died by his own two physical hands, but it was by his will and militancy that their lives were lost. So yes, I feel he should be held responsible for the deaths that occurred.
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When people can be wished back to life so easily, murder isn't really as serious of a crime.
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Except those people who were killed during the Saiyan invasion were never wished back. So I'd say that them staying dead other than the Z-fighter renders Vegeta's, Nappa's, and to a lesser extent Raditz, as being held accountable for those deaths.Polyphase Avatron wrote:When people can be wished back to life so easily, murder isn't really as serious of a crime.
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I disagree with the idea that murder is not a serious crime when one can wish the victims back so easily.
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Well it's really no worse than assault, if the effects aren't permanent.Hulk10 wrote:I disagree with the idea that murder is not a serious crime when one can wish the victims back so easily.
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I personally disagree but that's just me.Polyphase Avatron wrote:Well it's really no worse than assault, if the effects aren't permanent.Hulk10 wrote:I disagree with the idea that murder is not a serious crime when one can wish the victims back so easily.
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He didn't intend to wish anyone back. Dragon Balls are exception, not the rulePolyphase Avatron wrote:Well it's really no worse than assault, if the effects aren't permanent.Hulk10 wrote:I disagree with the idea that murder is not a serious crime when one can wish the victims back so easily.
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If it was Nappa's doing with Vegeta not there at the time, then not really, but that didn't really happen. He was his leader and allowed all of it to happen and even had fun watching the group get murdered. He's just as guilty as Nappa was for the deaths of everyone involved.
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He became Goku's ally, so he is no longer accountable for his multiple horrible war crimes. The same thing goes for Freeza. He was resurrected because he finally did a good action in his life for once, completely disregarding the trillions of innocent lives that he ruined, and the many more that will come, since he doesn't plan to end his evil ways. If Freeza kills any innocent after his resurrection (and he probably will because he is a sadistic psycopath who revels in evil), then the blood of those innocents are on the hands of Beerus, Whis and Goku too.
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Of course he is. He commanded Nappa to attack the Z-Warriors. If I pay an assassin to kill somebody, I'm as responsable as him of the murderer.
That said, naturally the fact that he didn't directly kill anybody made it easier for the Z-Warriors to eventually forgive him.
That said, naturally the fact that he didn't directly kill anybody made it easier for the Z-Warriors to eventually forgive him.
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Tenshinhan never truly forgave Vegeta for what happened during the Saiyan arc.wolflonnie wrote:That said, naturally the fact that he didn't directly kill anybody made it easier for the Z-Warriors to eventually forgive him.
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But he stays silently into background while main cast pat Vegeta's back.
Honestly I don't like the motive that redemption or acceptance means instant forgiveness. Back in my Star Wars days I've seen lots of posts how Leia was an awful person for not forgetting that Vader was genocidal maniac the moment Luke told her that he changes in last minute. .
Honestly I don't like the motive that redemption or acceptance means instant forgiveness. Back in my Star Wars days I've seen lots of posts how Leia was an awful person for not forgetting that Vader was genocidal maniac the moment Luke told her that he changes in last minute. .
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Re: Is Vegeta accountable?
He is accountable.
Now whether he has truly redeemed himself is another matter.
Now whether he has truly redeemed himself is another matter.
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It isn't shown, it's more a TFS kind.Lord Beerus wrote:Tenshinhan never truly forgave Vegeta for what happened during the Saiyan arc.wolflonnie wrote:That said, naturally the fact that he didn't directly kill anybody made it easier for the Z-Warriors to eventually forgive him.
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It's shown. He still doubts Vegeta.wolflonnie wrote:It isn't shown, it's more a TFS kind.Lord Beerus wrote:Tenshinhan never truly forgave Vegeta for what happened during the Saiyan arc.wolflonnie wrote:That said, naturally the fact that he didn't directly kill anybody made it easier for the Z-Warriors to eventually forgive him.
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I find it weird that Tenshinhan is made to look bad in that scene. He has a right to distrust Vegeta. Vegeta has a history of turning on his allies if the situation suits him, even Bulma (see Buu arc). Who's to say he wouldn't decide against it. Not only that, he only likes Goku around because it challenges his abilities; if Goku fell far behind, would Vegeta care to stick around and/or defend his friends?Doctor. wrote:It's shown. He still doubts Vegeta.wolflonnie wrote:It isn't shown, it's more a TFS kind.Lord Beerus wrote: Tenshinhan never truly forgave Vegeta for what happened during the Saiyan arc.
Wouldn't accountability mean he cannot be redeemed?DragonBallFoodie wrote:He is accountable.
Now whether he has truly redeemed himself is another matter.
The earthlings killed during the Saiyan invasion, other than the Z-fighters, were never wished back.I disagree with the idea that murder is not a serious crime when one can wish the victims back so easily.
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Yeah, since he was Nappa's superior and the leader of the Saiyan Invasion of Earth. Also because when he fought Goku he intended on destroying the Planet, killing everyone on it.
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I'd take it to mean he has to work for his redemption.Attitudefan wrote:Wouldn't accountability mean Vegeta cannot be redeemed?
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That country-sized area that Nappa blew up was never revived.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.