How strong are Android 18 and Piccolo are after the ToP?

[RandomGuy96]

ToP arc is not 2 years after the FT arc

Yes it is. Beerus comments that it's been several years since he fought Vegeta. Since only 1 year passes between Beerus arriving and Freeza attacking/the U6 tournament, that leaves about 2 years between Zamasu and the ToP. Minimum. Unless there was a big unexplained gap between the U6 tournament and the Zamasu arc.

[ZombieVito]

Yes it is. Beerus comments that it's been several years since he fought Vegeta. Since only 1 year passes between Beerus arriving and Freeza attacking/the U6 tournament, that leaves about 2 years between Zamasu and the ToP. Minimum. Unless there was a big unexplained gap between the U6 tournament and the Zamasu arc.

ToP is in Age 780. That's official information.

Beerus says he fought Vegeta a couple of years ago so that still fits with Battle of Gods.

[RandomGuy96]

Yes it is. Beerus comments that it's been several years since he fought Vegeta. Since only 1 year passes between Beerus arriving and Freeza attacking/the U6 tournament, that leaves about 2 years between Zamasu and the ToP. Minimum. Unless there was a big unexplained gap between the U6 tournament and the Zamasu arc.

ToP is in Age 780. That's official information.

Where's the official Super timeline?

Bare minimum it's close to a year, since you have to leave 9 months for Bulma to become pregnant and be on the verge of her water breaking any day.

Beerus says he fought Vegeta a couple of years ago so that still fits with Battle of Gods.

No, he says "a few", which is by definition more than a couple:

[PFM18]

No, he says "a few", which is by definition more than a couple:

...no it isnt? "A few" is an ambiguously low number. That low number can easily just be 2.

[Kamiccolo9]

No, he says "a few", which is by definition more than a couple:

...no it isnt? "A few" is an ambiguously low number. That low number can easily just be 2.

"Few," by definition, means at least three. "A couple" would be two.

I mean, it's all pointless semantics anyway, but if we're picking nits, then at least nitpick correctly.

[PFM18]

No, he says "a few", which is by definition more than a couple:

...no it isnt? "A few" is an ambiguously low number. That low number can easily just be 2.

"Few," by definition, means at least three. "

I mean, it's all pointless semantics anyway, but if we're picking nits, then at least nitpick correctly.

No it doesn't. And he's the one nitpicking based on few vs couple. I was correcting his nitpick.

Few:
1. a small number of.
2. used to emphasize how small a number of people or things is.

It is not by defnition at least three. that's incorrect. It is by definition, an ambiguously small.

[BWri]

Factoring in the Copy Vegeta scuffles, I think they should be considerably stronger than just about anything the Buu arc has to throw at them. I could see Piccolo and #18 giving trouble to the stronger fighters at the Champa arc like Magetta. Present Zamasu might not be outside the realm of possibility if you believe the inflation grew enormously between the Future Trunks and Tournament of Power arcs.

Now for who's stronger, going off initial optics, the answer seems to be favouring #18. Unlike Piccolo, who used one of his most powerful attacks only to have it get repelled by Base Goku during their practice match, #18 was handily contending with fighters that were keeping Base Goku on his toes.

That's a logical statement, but I still don't buy that Piccolo used all his power in that scene. It was a sparring match and Tien was on the battlefield. He charged up, sure, but only enough to give Goku a hard time.

I'm torn on who's stronger since #18 one shotted the stronger form of a character that forced Goku to go SSB. ToP was very inconsistent with feats though. #18 was shown quite a few times to be in Goku and #17's ballpark of power which is just inconsistent as all hell. But still, she had trouble with fighters that Krillin could handily defeat and had to be saved by Piccolo when fighting U4. My instinct tells me that Piccolo is still stronger in the heirarchy, but not by much. I'd easily put them both at BoG SSG tier. Super is very inconsistent, but all the characters have gotten off-screen power boosts to make them highly relevant power wise to the God Tier characters. It's just, God Tier itself probably has like 10 or more tiers.

Negligibly stronger than they were in the Buu arc. 18 has been doing no serious training and Piccolo maxed out back in the Cell arc, hence why he declined a second ROSAT trip and why his strength did not undergo noticeable change (grew at a slower rate than the Saiyans, in fact) in the seven years between Cell and Buu. A Cell Junior could still kick their asses, probably.

That's an old school myth at this point. No one maxes out in this show about constantly surpassing one's limit. Look no further than Master Roshi who has gained more strength in his old age in the last 10 or so years than he did in the first several hundred years of his life. At most, these characters simply have no agency outside of the plot due to author negligence, but as we see when he needs them to step it up, everyone included Roshi, Krillin, and the fricking Androids can surpass their former limits.

[BWri]

Both #18 and Piccolo could casually murder anything that Z throws at them. Both #18 and Piccolo, by the time the TOP happens, are at the very least comfortably on par with Base Goku/Vegeta/Gohan. And the Base Goku/Vegeta/Gohan are hundreds of times stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks by the time of TOP.

Exactly. I think people underestimate precisely how strong the Saiyans got after BoG. SSG in the BoG era is nothing compared to SSB in the ToP era. It is the bottom of the God Tier. Its likely that even the base Saiyans surpassed it. Piccolo was already getting close to this with his initial battle with Frost. In the manga they were a lot closer in power with Frost still having a clear advantage (a fairly big one), but to keep that level of power Piccolo had to use basically all his stamina. That same Frost forced both Goku and Vegeta to go Super Saiyan against his Final Form for decisive victories. I'm not sure if Goku or Vegeta's base forms were SSG tier or not at this time and my guess would be that they weren't with how the arc was written, but I do believe they were much higher than the Buu arc levels.

I'd put both SSJ Goku and Vegeta at Ultimate Gohan levels at bare minimum during the U6 vs U7 tournament. What's more likely is their base forms being at this level, but I'm trying to be safe here. So Frost would likely be somewhere around Super Buu level, maybe a little less. Frost put up about as much of a fight with Goku as Buu did vs Gohan initially. That'd put Piccolo under SSJ3 Gotenks but above FP Fat Buu, maybe he'd be SSJ Gotenks level at this point but able to amp his power to near SSJ3 Gotenks levels (if such a thing existed) at the cost of stamina. That is still manga Piccolo. Anime Piccolo was likely hovering around Buu arc Majin Vegeta level or somewhere close to that compared to Frost who was still likely Super Buu level like the manga. Anime Piccolo's SBC can reach God Tier or close to it with a massive amp as seen with how it easily pierced Vados barrier. That's a good indicator of Piccolo's potential.

Then he kept training and was actually focused. A focused Piccolo, training for a goal nets some of the best results in the series. I believe a few years passed after the U6 tourney to the ToP. So that Piccolo trained to his potential and reached SSG tier or close to it in that time. Okay, maybe not God tier exactly but effortlessly above what Buu arc SSJ Vegeto can do IMO.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I don't think Frost is anywhere near SSJG level.

[PFM18]

I don't think Frost is anywhere near SSJG level.

define "near" lol? He has to be stronger than anything from the Buu arc for this to make sense. I definitely agree he isnt close to SSG level but it depends how you define "close"

[zarmack]

I don't think Frost is anywhere near SSJG level.

He would still solo all of Z without effort.

[PFM18]

I don't think Frost is anywhere near SSJG level.

He would still solo all of Z without effort.

Yeah being weaker than SSJG doesn't necessarily mean you can't stop everyone from Z. I think he would destroy everybody from Z with the only one even having a remote chance would be SSJ Vegetto.(I still think he would lose)

[p-hyvo]

I don't think Frost is anywhere near SSJG level.

In fact, frost demonstrated to be only Ssj+ level in the anime at the top, being capable to dominate ssj Vegeta and outsmart him, capturing him with the mafuuba.
At the top,
ff freezer>god goku>hit>dyspo>>sn piccolo >>>base piccolo>>frost ff>Vegeta/goku Ssj>weaker pride troopers>base goku /vegeta>ssj1-2 u6 saiyans>>>>niggrishi>>koitsukai/panchia/bollarator>base gohan

And anyway, if ssj level at the top is ≥ god from bog IMO, so >>>>>vegetto z