PFM18 wrote:Alright then:
1. A form that is achieved by COMPLETELY different means.
2. A form that is used after it was already stated multiple times that he made that power his own.
Is not "the same form for arbitrary reasons. it is very concrete that these are NOT the same circumstances or even close to it.
It's the
same form. This is the equivalent of arguing that Goku and Caulifla's Super Saiyan forms have different multipliers because one was achieved through rage and the other through a tingly back. You'd have more of a point in this case, actually, since the forms belong to different characters.
So I give you two counter examples about characters being one shot, and you giving me one example of Jiren blocking Base Vegeta is supposed to disprove my point? Are you serious right now?
That's the exception and not the rule. If that's the only instance that you can come up with, you're just reinforcing my point because just off the top of my head in the show that you claim doesn't have one shots, Vegeta one shotted Frost, Jiren one-shotted Maji Kayo, Jiren one shotting Kale, Freeza one-shotted that flying fighter, SSJ Kefla one shotted SSB Goku, and Beerus(essentially) one shotted SSJ3 Goku. You're argument just isn't supported quite frankly.
It's not the exception. Here: Jiren blocking Goku and Vegeta, Frost blocking Roshi, Freeza blocking Cabba, Goku blocking Ribrianne, so on and so on. It happens multiple times throughout this show. Your examples just fuel
my argument. I'm saying that visual evidence of "this character one shotted x character" or "this character didn't dodge from x character" doesn't matter because the show is random and arbitrary as to how it depicts its fights, and here you are giving me more evidence that the show is, indeed, arbitrary in how it chooses to depict its fights, so... thanks?
They explicitly distinction between the SSJ-absorbed SSG and the SSG form because SSG still has God Ki. SSG is just a result of Goku utilizing God Ki, and despite making the power his own, his normla forms don't use God Ki. So that makes perfect sense.
So SSG uses God Ki, and that's the source of its power. And Goku absorbs the power of SSG into his SS form, but somehow he doesn't absorb the God Ki into it as well in spite of it being the source of SSG's power to begin with.
Yeah, makes no sense at all.
I already explained how it isn't even multiple arcs later that this is established not to be the case.
No you didn't. There's nothing in the BoG or ResF arcs that disproves the statement that Beerus was using 10% of his power. The earliest instance of this statement being put into question is when Goku first uses Kaioken and is still implied to be weaker than Beerus.
The fact that Beerus lied about the amount of power he used in another instance of similar context is hint enough, we don't need anything further. You're just assuming that they follow the same scale because you just kind of arbitrarily assume that this is a result of Toei's incompetence based on your preconceived notions about Toei, despite absolutely nothing even mildly indicating them having the same scale.
No, I'm assuming that it's an understandable oversight on Toei's part because they were following the script of a movie with a very clear and explicit powerscale (Beerus 70% vs SSG Goku) and had no idea where the series would go after it. You're implicitly assuming that Toei was planning some kind of grand narrative where powerlevels make sense from start to finish and there's no kind of inconsistency or retcon at all in the 131 episodes and 4 self-contained arcs.
