How Would ToP Krillin, Tenshinhan, and Roshi Have Fared In DBZ?

[theherodjl]

As individuals & as a team? Could the three baldies have gotten as far as the Boo arc if they worked together & used their ToP strats?

[Kataphrut]

No, because the ToP was a tournament where they just had to knock people off. None of their strategies would have amounted to much against unkillable regenerating monsters like Cell and Buu.

That being said, it really shouldn't have taken until Future Zamasu for them to go "Hey, maybe this power to seal enemies up forever in a confined space would come in handy for a lot of these bad guys." Instead of wasting time on fusion, that's what they should have been doing to deal with Buu. In fact, I think one of the Supersonic Warriors games literally has Piccolo do that.

[PFM18]

I really have no idea where the irrelevant characters stand in power, they are still weak relatively weak by DBS standards but being weak in Super can constitue being able to stomp anything from Z sometimes. I guess if you assume that because all of them appear to be able to be able to break Katchi Katchin, that they would be at least SSJ Gohan Buu arc tier but I think that's a stretch.

[zarmack]

At this point, if you are at least slightly comparable to Base Goku/Vegeta after Battle of Gods, you would solo DBZ.

[Lionel]

Well they're all over the place in the anime. Manga-wise -- the most we see of them is dodging Magetta's downward attack and parrying some blows from a casual final form Frost. We see Base Vegeta accomplish the former back during the Champa arc but with perceivable exertion showing in his face. Were I to hazard a guess, I think the minimal level they could be classified at is Champa arc Base Saiyans. We see in the promotional manga for ROF how an untransformed Goku is able to stand toe-to-toe with Freeza in his final form. An SSJ Gohan that was stronger than Super Namekian Piccolo was shying away from confronting a suppressed Freeza in his first form. What does that imply?

I'll take a shot and say that the humans are at least somewhere in the Buu arc SSJ3 tier range -- definitely stronger than SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu from that period. Acknowledging the retention of god ki in their base comes up with a whole slew of wild implications which I'm sure a lot of fans would rather not believe.

[supersaiyanZero]

Anything past 3rd form frieza is a huge stretch.

[Kataphrut]

This is yet another reason why we should all consider the whole "anything in Super can solo DBZ" thing dropped. Logically these characters should all still be around where they were in the original series since none of them made any major gains or development- even Krillin's comeback was more about mentality than power. Sure all of them have trained since then, but it takes a lot to go from where they left off to where they'd have to be if you assume they're as strong or stronger than the Buu saga heavy hitters. I mean Buu himself never trained at all until the Fit Buu shenanigans and he was still considered the third strongest behind Goku and Vegeta for a while.

I think it's better if we just take it at the shows word that the reason they were so effective is because of their technical skills and that being a benefit in the Tournament of Power. They still wouldn't be able to defeat threats like Cell.

[theherodjl]

Anything past 3rd form frieza is a huge stretch.

I don't know, Krillin was actually pushing Base Gohan which is a level at least 1/3rd of 4th Form Freeza's full power, and Roshi possessed by Yurin's sorcery traded some blows with a half-serious Base Godku. I'd say they're beyond 3rd Form Freeza by a fair amount.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I think Super's focus on skill over power, combined with the many powerscaling issues it has, leads people to come up with these crazy ideas. To think that Krillin or Roshi are as strong as even SSJ1 Goku on Namek is silly IMO.

[supersaiyanZero]

I think Super's focus on skill over power, combined with the many powerscaling issues it has, leads people to come up with these crazy ideas. To think that Krillin or Roshi are as strong as even SSJ1 Goku on Namek is silly IMO.

Exactly.

[Regarder]

I think Super's focus on skill over power, combined with the many powerscaling issues it has, leads people to come up with these crazy ideas. To think that Krillin or Roshi are as strong as even SSJ1 Goku on Namek is silly IMO.

But in-universe that's how powerful they are portrayed as now. Also, Super might have wanted to focus on skill over power, but they are also strongly implied to be way more powerful. Super might have wonky powerscaling, but it is what it is, and that means in-universe that the lower tier gang got massively more powerful really quickly around that period. Especially if you include stuff from the manga like Roshi knowing the bargin bin omen of ultra instinct.

[PFM18]

At this point, if you are at least slightly comparable to Base Goku/Vegeta after Battle of Gods, you would solo DBZ.

Not necessarily. That depends on the SSG multiplier.

And I don't think Tenshinhan nor Krillin could lay claim to being stronger than Base Goku/Vegeta.

I think Super's focus on skill over power, combined with the many powerscaling issues it has, leads people to come up with these crazy ideas. To think that Krillin or Roshi are as strong as even SSJ1 Goku on Namek is silly IMO.

I think the power scaling issues are immensely overblown, but we really aren't given any reason to believe Roshi is stronger than Namek SSJ Goku really.

Krillin on the other hand, appears to at least be on the same level as his wife, which would put him above Namek SSJ Goku.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I think Super's focus on skill over power, combined with the many powerscaling issues it has, leads people to come up with these crazy ideas. To think that Krillin or Roshi are as strong as even SSJ1 Goku on Namek is silly IMO.

But in-universe that's how powerful they are portrayed as now. Also, Super might have wanted to focus on skill over power, but they are also strongly implied to be way more powerful. Super might have wonky powerscaling, but it is what it is, and that means in-universe that the lower tier gang got massively more powerful really quickly around that period. Especially if you include stuff from the manga like Roshi knowing the bargin bin omen of ultra instinct.

But even in the show it's emphasized that it's not about raw power, for example Roshi saying that Ganos was stronger and faster than him but he couldn't touch him because he lacked the skill and experience.

[zarmack]

I think Super's focus on skill over power, combined with the many powerscaling issues it has, leads people to come up with these crazy ideas. To think that Krillin or Roshi are as strong as even SSJ1 Goku on Namek is silly IMO.

Krillin since the ToP is at least stronger than Perfect Cell by feats.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I think Super's focus on skill over power, combined with the many powerscaling issues it has, leads people to come up with these crazy ideas. To think that Krillin or Roshi are as strong as even SSJ1 Goku on Namek is silly IMO.

Krillin since the ToP is at least stronger than Perfect Cell by feats.

Such as?

[zarmack]

I think Super's focus on skill over power, combined with the many powerscaling issues it has, leads people to come up with these crazy ideas. To think that Krillin or Roshi are as strong as even SSJ1 Goku on Namek is silly IMO.

Krillin since the ToP is at least stronger than Perfect Cell by feats.

Such as?

Matching Base Gohan during the recruitment arc, who is stronger than Lavender, who is stronger than Basil, who somewhat matched Fat Buu at the preliminaries, who is stronger than Super Perfect Cell.

[PFM18]

Krillin since the ToP is at least stronger than Perfect Cell by feats.

Such as?

Matching Base Gohan during the recruitment arc, who is stronger than Lavender, who is stronger than Basil, who somewhat matched Fat Buu at the preliminaries, who is stronger than Super Perfect Cell.

That scene couldn't have been more clearly a skill-based one. Krillin used the Taioken to blind Gohan and then knocked him out, it had nothing to do with strength.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Such as?

Matching Base Gohan during the recruitment arc, who is stronger than Lavender, who is stronger than Basil, who somewhat matched Fat Buu at the preliminaries, who is stronger than Super Perfect Cell.

That scene couldn't have been more clearly a skill-based one. Krillin used the Taioken to blind Gohan and then knocked him out, it had nothing to do with strength.

Pretty much exactly what I was saying. If Gohan was seriously intending to kill Krillin what do you think would have happened?

Also I don't get the idea that Lavender is stronger than Basil... I always thought Lavender was the weakest of the trio and compensated for that with his poison.

[PFM18]

The absolute most I would put Krillin is at his wife's level, he has done nothing that leads me to believe he is especially strong.

Tenshinhan and Roshi are considerably weaker with Roshi being the weakest IMO.

[zarmack]

Matching Base Gohan during the recruitment arc, who is stronger than Lavender, who is stronger than Basil, who somewhat matched Fat Buu at the preliminaries, who is stronger than Super Perfect Cell.

That scene couldn't have been more clearly a skill-based one. Krillin used the Taioken to blind Gohan and then knocked him out, it had nothing to do with strength.

Pretty much exactly what I was saying. If Gohan was seriously intending to kill Krillin what do you think would have happened?

Also I don't get the idea that Lavender is stronger than Basil... I always thought Lavender was the weakest of the trio and compensated for that with his poison.

Basil is stated to be the youngest and weakest of the trio.