Helios518 wrote:
You’re definitely twisting Vados’ line. She only meant fusion would be tens of times stronger than the fusees in the same form. She never said anything about the fusion’s base form being more powerful than their strongest form.
Think about this: If base Kale is stronger than SSJG Goku, who is stronger than SSJ3 Goku, who is 4x SSJ2 Goku, who was fighting more or less in the ballpark of Kale and Caulifla in their strongest state, then base Kale being "tens of times" stronger than max power Kale and Caulifla combined actually fits with the fight we are shown. It could look something like:
Goku:
~SSJ2: 100
~SSJ3: 400
~SSJG: 800(minimum 2x SSJ3, likely more)
Kale/Caulifla(averaged to be the same for simplicity, it's just an example not verbatim my belief):
~SSJ2/Controlled Berzerk: 100
Kefla:
Base(Initial Suppressed): 1,000
Base(Full Power): 2,000(Tens being plural, thus minimum 20x for Potara Formula)
If it were only "tens of times equal forms," then there would be no way base Kefla could surpass SSJG Goku.
Helios518 wrote:In the anime, SSB seems to be a huge jump in power as mainly shown with the fight with Kafla. Base Kafla was fighting with a (tired) SSG Goku, and SSB Goku was fighting well with SS Kafla. Even if you were to super lowball, that would mean that the jump from SSG to SSB is around 50x but that doesn’t take into account that Kafla was using that weird SS that Kale.
That bulky version of that transformation made Geran twitch during meditation when SS3 Goku earlier did not, then when Kale controlled the form, it was stated that her power “massively increased.” and Kefla uses the same form. That being said, that would make the jump from SSG to SSB at least more than 400x.
From SSJG to SSJB being 50x is certainly plausible. Going up to or beyond 400x, not quite so certain, at least in the anime. The anime doesn't have "Perfected SSJB" that massively increases power, so it's kind of up in the air. Also, "massively increased" is a very loose description, it could mean anything. We saw supposedly "huge" powerups in DBZ that were only a few percentage points or less than 2x. Vegeta goes from even to KKx2 Goku(16k) to max power(18k) and impresses Goku by shaking the Earth. Not a huge numerical difference but it's treated like a big deal narratively. Freeza increasing from 70 to 100% is treated like a big deal despite only being a 30% improvement. So the series treats both "legitimately" large as well as small power ups the same depending on the plot at the moment. So we can't claim any sort of number based on a loose description like "massively" because of the series' history. We need to focus on tangible, as close to "numerical" statements as possible.
Anime version of SSJB could be a few or several hundred times SSJG, but strictly speaking, we don't have a super concrete statement indicating what number to use.
