People Can't Be Revived After One Year?
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People Can't Be Revived After One Year?
This is something that's been confusing me. Several months ago, I made a thread where a lot of users told me that the whole "one year limit" for reviving people with Dragon Balls wasn't actually a thing, but at the same time, I've seen people say it is true.
So which is it? And do you think the Namekian Dragon Balls follow this rule?
So which is it? And do you think the Namekian Dragon Balls follow this rule?
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Re: People Can't Be Revived After One Year?
I recently just answered this elsewhere, so I'm just going to copy and paste:
VegettoEX on Reddit oh god what have I done wrote:This kind of wish is where a lot of misconceptions come from.
It seems that with the Shenlong we first see as created by the God of Earth, you can indeed wish back a large number of people. However, God specifically says:
"Why do you ask? Are you intending to bring back to life all the aliens killed in the past by Vegeta and co.? That should be possible too of course, but it would only be effective for those who died within one year."
Yeah, you can bring a whole bunch of people back, but it's going to be restricted to those who died within the last year. The common interpretation from here when you extrapolate that all out is that you can probably bring someone back to life if they died longer than a year ago, but your wish is going to need to be more specific and more focused than something so grand like the big one there.
A lot of people generally say that one of the rules is that you can't bring someone back if they've been dead longer than a year, but - as you can see - that's never explicitly stated.
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Re: People Can't Be Revived After One Year?
So, basically, we don't know for sure?
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Re: People Can't Be Revived After One Year?
I read it as this.
Revive one person - No limit
Revive many people - 1 year limit
Revive one person - No limit
Revive many people - 1 year limit
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Re: People Can't Be Revived After One Year?
We know. The 1 year limit only exists when there's lots of people being revived. Of course, this is regarding Kami's Dragon Balls. Its unknown if the Namekians Dragon Balls, after being upgraded in the Buu saga, have such a limit.thatdbzguy wrote:So, basically, we don't know for sure?
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Re: People Can't Be Revived After One Year?
Well, I'd say we don't really know specifics. There's no point in the series where any person is revived after a year has passed, although the fact that everyone assumes it's possible including when God is making the plan that would presumably force Yamucha and the others to wait, and that God goes out of his way to specify that large groups of people would be affected by that rule, it seems pretty clear cut that individuals can be revived after a year has passed. However, we don't really know what counts as a large group. That is, what's the cutoff point between being able to revive and being restricted to a year? A million? A thousand? A hundred? A dozen? Two?
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Re: People Can't Be Revived After One Year?
I had always assumed that soul reincarnation happens after a year. That is why the 1 year limit was in place. But people like Goku or any other person who has saved the world don't get reincarnated because they stay in heaven to train and fight against other people who have saved their world. That being said I see it more as.
Bringing back lots of people: 1 year limit
Brining back a person who died: 1 year limit.
Brining back a Z-senshi: Infinite.
Bringing back lots of people: 1 year limit
Brining back a person who died: 1 year limit.
Brining back a Z-senshi: Infinite.
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Re: People Can't Be Revived After One Year?
I also think it is because of the reincarnation. Chances are after a year that person has already been reincarnated into something else especially if their evil I imagine the process is faster.
If they are training in other world than they would still have their body and can be revived any time.
If they are training in other world than they would still have their body and can be revived any time.
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Re: People Can't Be Revived After One Year?
Reincarnation is only mentioned in regards to evil people who get cleansed of their sins after being in hell and need to be reincarnated as a new person afterwards. Nothing of the sort is ever mentioned regarding good people who go to heaven, nor does it make much sense since they have nothing to cleanse.
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I would seriously hope that reincarnation holds true to both ends of the scale. Both for the Dragon Ball universes sake and for the sake of our universe if it worked the same way. If only evil people get reincarnated then Heaven would be very overpopulated. I would hate to imagine how full it would be with a universe full of dead people and the only people who would avoid such a terrible fate would be the evil people, lol. I would assume that there are also good people who need to get cleansed of their sins too. You forget that both Piccolo and Vegeta were evil originally and according to the manga, for Piccolo at least, they were absolved of their past and were considered good guys. Not everyone can be a good guy like Goku. And even Goku had blood on his hands through not understanding it was wrong to kill plus the whole squishing his father incident as a Oozaru.rereboy wrote:Reincarnation is only mentioned in regards to evil people who get cleansed of their sins after being in hell and need to be reincarnated as a new person afterwards. Nothing of the sort is ever mentioned regarding good people who go to heaven, nor does it make much sense since they have nothing to cleanse.
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Er... Why do you believe that Heaven can be overpopulated...? Its a mystical place beyond the mortal universe and we didn't even see it in the manga. As far as we know, it might literally never run out of space.Hitiro wrote:I would seriously hope that reincarnation holds true to both ends of the scale. Both for the Dragon Ball universes sake and for the sake of our universe if it worked the same way. If only evil people get reincarnated then Heaven would be very overpopulated. I would hate to imagine how full it would be with a universe full of dead people and the only people who would avoid such a terrible fate would be the evil people, lol. I would assume that there are also good people who need to get cleansed of their sins too. You forget that both Piccolo and Vegeta were evil originally and according to the manga, for Piccolo at least, they were absolved of their past and were considered good guys. Not everyone can be a good guy like Goku. And even Goku had blood on his hands through not understanding it was wrong to kill plus the whole squishing his father incident as a Oozaru.rereboy wrote:Reincarnation is only mentioned in regards to evil people who get cleansed of their sins after being in hell and need to be reincarnated as a new person afterwards. Nothing of the sort is ever mentioned regarding good people who go to heaven, nor does it make much sense since they have nothing to cleanse.
Also, how do you justify reincarnation when the population in a planet or in the universe increases significantly from what it was a while ago? If there are new souls being created, and there's not the same number being recycled, like the fact that the population of a planet or the universe can increase significantly suggests, then that would eventually lead to overpopulation all the same. So, reincarnation doesn't actually solve that problem at all.
And good people don't need to be cleansed. The good in them outweighs the bad making them worthy of being in heaven, so there's no need. Bad people get cleansed because Enma that thats the only way for them to have redemption (being cleansed and reincarnated). That doesn't make sense for the good people.
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Because no one talked about those who go to Heaven. Piccolo didn't give us lessons about the dead, he only said what happens to Vegeta, who goes to Hell, and what happens to Goku, who keeps his body.rereboy wrote:Nothing of the sort is ever mentioned regarding good people who go to heaven
Eh? They have their memories & personality to get cleansed, assuming that they get reincarnated.nor does it make much sense since they have nothing to cleanse.
We've seen it drawn from Toriyama, and it's just a huge planet.Er... Why do you believe that Heaven can be overpopulated...? Its a mystical place beyond the mortal universe and we didn't even see it in the manga. As far as we know, it might literally never run out of space.
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Reincarnation would be an equivalent exchange sort of thing in my eyes. In Dragon Ball we see what Heaven is actually a planet and the universe is a fixed size, reference the DB Globe in the Chozenshuu. So I would hope that every new life on Earth is merely a reincarnation. We know that Birusu is the God of Destruction and he helps maintain the balance of the universe along with the Gods of Creation, the Kaio's. So we have to assume that the Dragon Ball universe is all about balance.rereboy wrote:Er... Why do you believe that Heaven can be overpopulated...? Its a mystical place beyond the mortal universe and we didn't even see it in the manga. As far as we know, it might literally never run out of space.
Also, how do you justify reincarnation when the population in a planet or in the universe increases significantly from what it was a while ago? If there are new souls being created, and there's not the same number being recycled, like the fact that the population of a planet or the universe can increase significantly suggests, then that would eventually lead to overpopulation all the same. So, reincarnation doesn't actually solve that problem at all.
And good people don't need to be cleansed. The good in them outweighs the bad making them worthy of being in heaven, so there's no need. Bad people get cleansed because Enma that thats the only way for them to have redemption (being cleansed and reincarnated). That doesn't make sense for the good people.
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Re: People Can't Be Revived After One Year?
One thing to note is that after ONE entire year of living in heaven, the person might start to actually like it. I mean it's heaven after all. Grandpa Gohan for instance didn't want to be revived because he became used to heaven and all the good stuff there.
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We need to also define a "year", because Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu were revived within one Earth year, but far longer than a Namekian year. The Namekian Dragon Balls recharge in 130 Earth days (which is apparently equal to a Namekian year), and were used twice in a row to bring back Yamcha/Kuririn and then Tenshinhan/Chiaotzu.
So are all Dragon Balls restricted somehow to an Earth-centric timing even if their creator isn't from Earth and the balls themselves aren't made on Earth? But what about if they're used on Earth, like the Namekian balls were?
There are just too many extra questions that we don't have the appropriate answers to. You can infer things, but it starts getting dicey.
So are all Dragon Balls restricted somehow to an Earth-centric timing even if their creator isn't from Earth and the balls themselves aren't made on Earth? But what about if they're used on Earth, like the Namekian balls were?
There are just too many extra questions that we don't have the appropriate answers to. You can infer things, but it starts getting dicey.
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Re: People Can't Be Revived After One Year?
Is a "Namekian" year a thing? In the viz translated manga it makes no mention of it being a "Namekian" year. Rather it says that the Namekian dragonballs just recharge quicker. I remember in the Funimation dub they have a conversation about there years being shorter but it doesn't seem to be in the manga.VegettoEX wrote:We need to also define a "year", because Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu were revived within one Earth year, but far longer than a Namekian year. The Namekian Dragon Balls recharge in 130 Earth days (which is apparently equal to a Namekian year), and were used twice in a row to bring back Yamcha/Kuririn and then Tenshinhan/Chiaotzu.
So are all Dragon Balls restricted somehow to an Earth-centric timing even if their creator isn't from Earth and the balls themselves aren't made on Earth? But what about if they're used on Earth, like the Namekian balls were?
There are just too many extra questions that we don't have the appropriate answers to. You can infer things, but it starts getting dicey.
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I certainly wouldn't be referencing a FUNimation dub line, mainly because I wouldn't know it.
Herms' timeline work specifically notes: "Chapter 329 says that the Namekian Dragon Balls take 130 days to recharge (DBZ Episode 107 refers to this as the length of a Namekian year)".
Herms' timeline work specifically notes: "Chapter 329 says that the Namekian Dragon Balls take 130 days to recharge (DBZ Episode 107 refers to this as the length of a Namekian year)".
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So the manga doesn't officially say that. Interesting. I assumed it was a "Namekian" year too. I'm not really inclined to believe it's not as they probably base their year on the Dragon for that specific reason? Still interesting that the manga doesn't reference it as a Namekian year.VegettoEX wrote:I certainly wouldn't be referencing a FUNimation dub line, mainly because I wouldn't know it.
Herms' timeline work specifically notes: "Chapter 329 says that the Namekian Dragon Balls take 130 days to recharge (DBZ Episode 107 refers to this as the length of a Namekian year)".
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Precisely because he only talked about Vegeta there's no reason to assume that his destiny, that includes reincarnation, happens to any non-evil person. Not to mention that Goku and the others, who don't get reincarnated, are only mentioned as special due to the fact that they keep their bodies in the afterlife. Never once were they mentioned as special due to the fact that they don't reincarnate, not once.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Because no one talked about those who go to Heaven. Piccolo didn't give us lessons about the dead, he only said what happens to Vegeta, who goes to Hell, and what happens to Goku, who keeps his body.rereboy wrote:Nothing of the sort is ever mentioned regarding good people who go to heaven
Eh? They have their memories & personality to get cleansed, assuming that they get reincarnated.nor does it make much sense since they have nothing to cleanse.
We've seen it drawn from Toriyama, and it's just a huge planet.Er... Why do you believe that Heaven can be overpopulated...? Its a mystical place beyond the mortal universe and we didn't even see it in the manga. As far as we know, it might literally never run out of space.
They get cleansed because of their evil, not because of their personalities and memories. The reincarnation process has to get rid of their personalities and memories because otherwise they would just remain evil. None of this is the case with good people.
A planet that we have no idea how it works. I'm sure that in Toriyama's illustration of Kami's lookout nobody could tell that there was a room in there much larger than the actual lookout.
The notion of equivalent reincarnation is destroyed simply by mathematics. Like I said, if the population of the universe can increase significantly, where do the extra souls come from? If there are no extra souls, then people should be born without souls at one point, and if this doesn't happen, then the equivalent reincarnation theory can't be true. And if there are extra souls being created, then eventually overpopulation would still be a problem.Hitiro wrote:Reincarnation would be an equivalent exchange sort of thing in my eyes. In Dragon Ball we see what Heaven is actually a planet and the universe is a fixed size, reference the DB Globe in the Chozenshuu. So I would hope that every new life on Earth is merely a reincarnation. We know that Birusu is the God of Destruction and he helps maintain the balance of the universe along with the Gods of Creation, the Kaio's. So we have to assume that the Dragon Ball universe is all about balance.
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There will always be a reserve of souls. Have you forgotten about Birusu? He destroys so that the balance is maintained. I am aware that our population keeps growing. But that doesn't matter if Birusu goes around destroying other planets with billions of people on them. Those people then get reincarnated and distributed to the remaining planets. We already know that the Dragon Ball universe was much more populated with planets originally. If Birusu goes around destroying planets and the Kaioshin go around creating them then I honestly don't see a problem with equivalent reincarnation.rereboy wrote:The notion of equivalent reincarnation is destroyed simply by mathematics. Like I said, if the population of the universe can increase significantly, where do the extra souls come from? If there are no extra souls, then people should be born without souls at one point, and if this doesn't happen, then the equivalent reincarnation theory can't be true. And if there are extra souls being created, then eventually overpopulation would still be a problem.