Kanzenshuu

Piccolo yet again was put into some humiliating predicament where no matter what he does he gets depicted as the ongoing fodder / comic relief / joke that he is apparently quite well known for? Personally, I would laugh if this were the case. That Namekian fodder should have joined Tien and Yamcha y...

I think it's great how Android 17 was portrayed as SSB-tier. Seriously, just that alone shows how great it all is. I mean, can you imagine how boring it would be if Goku and Vegeta were the only ones boasting such power?

1. Base Kale (manga) vs SSJ Vegetto ( Buu saga) 2. SS Rose Black vs Base Kefla 3. Base Toppo and SLSM Dyspo vs Golden Freeza and A17 3. When it comes to strength, all three are relatively close to one another with Toppo likely being the strongest of the groupwhile Dyspo (without his speed) is the w...

Android 17 being stronger than current Ultimate Gohan is pretty obvious in my opinion. Android 17 fires a barrage of ki blasts at Toppo, and Toppo dodges and fights back with his own Justice Flash (the word "dodges" is important because this is the same Toppo that just tanked Ultimate Goha...

The initial comparison was 'he's around as tough as Cell, but not a big deal' and later corrects himself by saying Dabra is better than he thought. I don't think Super Perfect Cell has been so thoroughly surpassed that Goku and Vegeta could talk about him so casually - especially when neither of th...

PFM18 drew some really solid points. It's extremely unlikely Kid Buu could take on Base Caulifla and win. Kid Buu along with his many incarnations really aren't much by the time the time of RoF much less the ToP. Base Caulifla should be comparable to SSJ Vegetto from the Buu saga, given how powerful...

The initial comparison was 'he's around as tough as Cell, but not a big deal' and later corrects himself by saying Dabra is better than he thought. I don't think Super Perfect Cell has been so thoroughly surpassed that Goku and Vegeta could talk about him so casually - especially when neither of th...

New fights: Vegeta vs Future Trunks. Both from episode 67. Ultimate Gohan (ToP arc) vs SSI Future Trunks (E67). 17 (ToP arc) vs Pirina. 17 doesn't have infinite stamina. Frost (ToP arc) vs SS Vegeta (Champa arc). SS Bersek Kale vs SS3 Goku (ToP arc). No stamina issues for both. Android 17 wins effo...

(Piccolo vs Vegeta) Both characters during the time they just got back from Namek. SSBE Vegeta Kaioken x4 vs Whis Android 17 vs SSJ Kefla Golden Freeza(ToP) vs Hit(ToP) Vegeta should have a slight edge against Piccolo. I'm guessing Whis still has enough power to smash Vegeta. Android 17 is likely c...

The Dabura vs Cell comparison is quite simple. Goku initially compared Dabura to Cell but later retracts his opinion indirectly by indicating how Dabura is stronger than anticipated. This in and of itself makes it pretty clear that Dabura is at least in some shape or form stronger than Super Perfect...

The stickers didn't appear to support each and every character's feats as there appeared to be a few inconsistencies. For instance, Android 17 has a number of feats strongly suggesting that he is comparable to current SSB Goku; a level that far eclipses Red Goku. Additionally, I'm not sure how the n...

Base Gohan [Post Z sword] vs Base Goku [Boo arc]. No Super Saiyan transformations or Kaioken allowed. Gohan [Ultimate; Boo arc] vs Base Goku [RoF arc]. No Super Saiyan transformations or Kaioken allowed. Master Roshi [RoF arc] vs Freeza [Final form; Namek arc; 10% of FP]. Lavender vs Basil. No pois...

While I'm not quite convinced that Kale is SSB-tier, I will acknowledge that there are a few things supporting it. Goku turning SSB just to exert as much power as he could as an SSJ3 really makes little sense. Narratively, what would have been the point of that? Before anyone brings up the whole Kri...

Yeah and if for whatever reason Goku uses Kaioken on top of CSSB, it would still likely mean that CSSB is far stronger than regular SSB. So even with Kaioken it would still likely be akin to something like this: SSB Goku Kaioken > CSSB Goku / CSSB Vegeta >>> SSB Goku / SSB Vegeta / Android 17 / Gold...

I agree that CSSB Goku is likely in some shape or form a parallel to SSB Goku Kaioken. Anyone who could tangle with CSSB Goku Kaioken is likely well within a tier that could easily solo regular SSB-tier fighters.

Piccolo's best feat is wrecking an SSJ2 Gohan that was likely at a level akin to his Ultimate self from the Buu saga. Other than that he doesn't seem to have much going for him; therefore, it's hard to place him over Android 18. What further adds to this is how Base Goku was seemingly unaffected by...

Quitela being surprised Ganos was eliminated is a strong implication that Ganos could have been one of the stronger members on his team. I just find it odd that Quitela would have so much confidence in some Ginyu-tier weakling when he knows there are guys like Goku, Vegeta, Android 17, and Frieza r...

1. SSJ Cabba vs Base Vegito (Buu Saga) 2. Zamasu vs Kid Buu 3. Base Caulifla vs Super Buu 4. Base Kefla (ToP) vs Base Vegito (ToP) 5. SSG Goku vs Base Vegito (ToP) 6. Frost vs Fat Buu 1. Base Cabba was apparently on par with Base Vegeta, someone who by that point was likely at least SSJ Vegetto-tie...

Goku absorbed and took on the powers he had as red, so there's really no reason to assume otherwise in my opinion. I feel this is strongly reinforced by a number of feats. If Goku had somehow been weakened down to a level as pathetic as where he was during the Buu saga, he wouldn't have been able to...

then again, Jiren appears to have the tendency to match his adversary's power, see how he was "weaker" against Vegeta than against Goku. Which matches with his modus operandi described by Belmod: he lets his adversary leash out with all their might, only to tank everything and then annihi...