Kanzenshuu

Wow, you just found out a renewable and sustainable model for Dragon Ball. Congrats! Now they can increase their power as they use resources that are also increasing. Infinite power!!!! Seriously, go fuck yourself, you fact whoring freak! I know this is moderation material, but I'm done with Kazensh...

I know that "facts" are on your side for you to whore them, but it doesn't make things any more inconsistent or senseless. To move a machine you need power, and power uses resources. It's as simple as that.

Sorry, I meant resource (Ki), which contrasts with total . I think I know what total is now: the relationship between power that is being used and Ki (and I know that Ki is power to you, but play along). So, when Piccolo sensed his Ki dropping, without Gohan changing his power (the thing that multip...

We're just exchanging words and picking at semantics at this point. I said that Ki is a character's resource, like mana on RPG, while you use it as power, when power is the thing that is being sensed (according to me), and the totals were left unsigned with a proper term. It all leads to the same th...

Except that power is directly related to your well, battle power. After using the x20 Kaio-ken Kamehameha, Goku's ki stated to have shrunk and since the Kaio-ken is murder on your body, that's an added layer of his base getting depleted. Freeza also took enough damage from the Bomb to think he was ...

I think you're replying to one argument at a time and not making sense with your own logic as a whole, because what you just said now supports a model where Ki is not how strong a character gets, it's only a resource for power. Here's a last attempt at defining a model, with resources being my own i...

This is a collection of things I've seen posted on forums, which held some truth and fun to them: SSJ is an open source program that Vegeta authored with ASSJ, while Trunks made an expansion to it with USSJ. Gohan optimized them with SSJ2, and Goku released a trademarked SSJ3, which Gotenks hacked a...

A balanced fighter looks normal with an even distribution between strength, speed and stamina. Trunks' Grade III SSJ increases strength and decreases speed, while stamina may have already taken a hit from Grade II, improving just a bit with this one, perhaps. Here's an example: [Grade II SSJ]: Stren...

Ok, last question, because this is still something that confuses me: how can SSJ Goku be half of his power and not revert to base? Or how can Gohan lose half of his power and remain a SSJ2? "Full Power" could be like Freeza's 100% state (i.e. it doubles the 50x multiplier into 100x), but t...

I would consider a new Half-saiyan from Goten and Bulla

So, does everything come down to Ki = Power = Highest Stat? Say, Burter is quite fast, so speed is what the others read even if the distribution is uneven, kinda like Trunks powering up his strength. It makes sense that Power should increase them evenly, for SSJ Vegeta to surpass a SSJ3, with the la...

Pan - The first female Super Saiyan of the canon. She would carry their bloodline on the series. Uub - Human with great potential through reincarnation. This one wouldn't fall behind. Cell Jr - Engineered to serve good. He would grow into a Super "Perfect" Cell. Transformations: Pan - Hear...

I'd rather have a Cell Jr. join the Z fighters and grow into Perfect Cell, so that he could power himself up with 5 Juniors of his own. Righteous heart problem solved

That's "cinematic" concurrent events. When Goku talked to Kaioshin saying he couldn't sense Buu's ki it was when Buu entered the room. He did need to speak really fast though. But hey this is Dragonball we are talking about the same manga where Roshi and Kuririn talked and played rock pap...

Good. Can you provide an example for me to test my model? You already tested yours.

ekrolo, their strength remains, because their bodies are still the same. The only thing they can't do is output even more power to become stronger, faster and more enduring if their Ki has been depleted. It would be preposterous to consider that transforming suddenly refills your Ki, because later t...

See, this is what I mean... I proposed a model for you to counter with yours? No one is the authority in Dragon Ball here, so any model works fine as long as there are examples for us to exercise our logic. I only asked for DB events to check if it's valid or not, on my own, and not to be told about...

Freeza was damaged, but so was Goku before turning SSJ. If both SSJ and Freeza's power up replenished their stamina by multiplying their attribute along with the others, then the only thing that cost them was ki. While Goku increases his strength 50 fold, Freeza doubles his.

I have tried to distract myself from this the whole afternoon, but is it really hard to understand that the power that is fueling your attributes is also the one that is being read by the others? Your resources are hidden, nobody senses them if you don't use them. It's like being rich and not dressi...

Look, try not to complicate things further, specially by resorting to pedantry, ok? "Goku was only close to his full power..." I mean, please! And this is my model we're discussing, so if you want to impose yours, then create your own thread. The only thing I asked for were propositions fo...