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by ahill1
Thu May 23, 2019 11:55 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 11105
Views: 655172

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Shin was never compared to Cell-Games Goku. He was in a Guidebook called El Manga Legendario, although we only have access to the Spanish version, so we don't know if this was an embellishment from the Spanish producers. El Manga Legendario is a Spanish-and-French only product. It doesn’t have a Ja...
by ahill1
Wed May 22, 2019 3:22 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 11105
Views: 655172

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Hugo Boss wrote: Shin was never compared to Cell-Games Goku.

He was in a Guidebook called El Manga Legendario, although we only have access to the Spanish version, so we don't know if this was an embellishment from the Spanish producers.
by ahill1
Thu May 16, 2019 9:17 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga
Replies: 165
Views: 1904

Re: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga

The chapter is also entitled "the warrior who surpassed Goku".
by ahill1
Wed May 15, 2019 9:26 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga
Replies: 165
Views: 1904

Re: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga

Or it could just impliy it's the same multiplier for those characters in a specific moment of the story.

@Hugo Boss
by ahill1
Tue May 14, 2019 11:04 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Was Cell displaying the same power against Goku as he was Trunks?
Replies: 9
Views: 202

Re: Was Cell displaying the same power against Goku as he was Trunks?

I agree, 125 seems a fitting placement. On topic, it's also worth noting that Vegeta was still confident in being the one to finish Cell, as he said so himself when Goku asked whether it was ok for him to fight first. Since the same Vegeta was completely flabbergasted by Goku and Cell's powers, it s...
by ahill1
Tue May 14, 2019 2:28 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga
Replies: 165
Views: 1904

Re: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga

Goku was aware of the next location that Beerus was intending to travel towards. If necessary, he could always teleport directly to Earth while Beerus is there or ask either Shenron or Elder Kaioshin for the location of Beerus's planet. And ruin Bulma's birthday party with needing to? Going to Beer...
by ahill1
Mon May 13, 2019 4:02 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Was Cell displaying the same power against Goku as he was Trunks?
Replies: 9
Views: 202

Re: Was Cell displaying the same power against Goku as he was Trunks?

Krillin sensed the full-extent of Grade 3 Trunks' power as he fought Cell. He later said this about Goku: https://i.imgur.com/HOUD422.jpg Since Cell proved to be superior to Goku, it'll look something like this: Powered-up Cell>=Full-Power Super Saiyan Gohan>Full-Power Super Saiyan Goku>Grade 3 Tru...
by ahill1
Mon May 13, 2019 10:23 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga
Replies: 165
Views: 1904

Re: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga

Goku's attempts at formality were spasmodic and questionable at best. At several different points throughout their conversation he was having to correct himself and reword his initial statements in a more deferential manner in keeping with the expectations King Kai was foisting on him. Correcting h...
by ahill1
Sat May 11, 2019 10:19 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga
Replies: 165
Views: 1904

Re: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga

SS2 Vegeta > SS Gotenks is official information. What Goku said wasnt confirmed at all. It was just guess work. We also have strong implications that Good Boo is still stronger than SS Gotenks in the RoF arc and movie. That was given in the guidebooks. It doesn't supersede, at all, what's implied i...
by ahill1
Sat May 11, 2019 8:06 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga
Replies: 165
Views: 1904

Re: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga

Goku has never been too keen on proper etiquette -- the fact he challenged Beerus to a match in the first place was already defying perceived standards which King Kai was having to constantly correct him on. Something like a basic admittance of his power having grown enough to where he could handle...
by ahill1
Fri May 10, 2019 5:42 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga
Replies: 165
Views: 1904

Re: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga

While Goku didn't correct Beerus in regard to this latter's assessment of his base being incapable to battle Freeza, Goku was still knowledgeable that contradicting Beerus would be a bad idea, so it could be inferred that he considered it best not to. On top of that, it's not as if Goku's the kind o...
by ahill1
Thu May 09, 2019 5:22 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga
Replies: 165
Views: 1904

Re: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga

Nokra wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 5:10 pm
If Beerus says base Goku is nothing to freeza then he is right. Simple.
Refer to my arguments on page 1.
by ahill1
Thu May 09, 2019 4:47 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga
Replies: 165
Views: 1904

Re: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga

And all those things that were stated directly were cast doubt upon because we want to believe that base Gotenks is all that? Count me out man! Which things? The things that I posted, which were true, and somehow cast doubt upon, because base Gotenks being all that must prevail, when there's more t...
by ahill1
Thu May 09, 2019 12:19 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is Future Trunks' SSJ2 A Form That Is Unique To Him?
Replies: 18
Views: 330

Re: Is Future Trunks' SSJ2 A Form That Is Unique To Him?

I didn't read all the posts, so sorry if some information has been left out, but if you go by the backed up theory that the SSJs states are multipliers off the base/normal state, then I don't believe that Trunks ought to, necessarily, have obtained a different state. His base power was pumped enough...
by ahill1
Wed May 08, 2019 5:41 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga
Replies: 165
Views: 1904

Re: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga

Desassina wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 5:40 pm
And all those things that were stated directly were cast doubt upon because we want to believe that base Gotenks is all that? Count me out man!
Which things?
by ahill1
Wed May 08, 2019 5:34 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga
Replies: 165
Views: 1904

Re: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga

Gotenks didn't immediately defuse once his SSJ3 ran out of time against Boo, granted, but it's worth noting that they could remain a fused being for 30 minutes, and only 5 using the SSJ3 transformation. So maybe the SSJ3 ran out of time, but not the fusion itself, with some minutes still remaining t...
by ahill1
Wed May 08, 2019 3:16 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga
Replies: 165
Views: 1904

Re: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga

I agree with @Speedster here. I wouldn't take the BoG's statement over the manga's implications, considering the BoG's statement can also be rationalized in other ways. To clarify and go more in depth: -Beerus was basing his words on Goku's appearance. He'd already seen SSJ Goku in Whis' crystal bal...
by ahill1
Tue May 07, 2019 11:40 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga
Replies: 165
Views: 1904

Re: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga

I think the base kids are about as strong as #18 in their base states as per their more or less even scuffle at the Budokai, with #18 noticing how he (they) is unusually strong. The adult's base states would be significantly above that, but still seeing how Goten could keep Gohan on the ropes, it's ...
by ahill1
Tue May 07, 2019 5:40 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga
Replies: 165
Views: 1904

The base Saiyajins in the Boo saga

What's your placement for the base Saiyajins during the Boo saga? Do you think they eventually surpassed Freeza? Or do you take Beerus' statement as evidence that the Tyrant had yet to be outstripped? Offer your input.
by ahill1
Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:52 am
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 11105
Views: 655172

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

What'd be your estimation for Vegeta's battle power post his last Zenkai on Namek? I think 2.4 millions fits well with Goku's official number, but if you want to scale your own way, I'd say Vegeta gets up to 3 millions or so.