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by Lionel
Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:41 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Akira Toriyama Passes Away.
Replies: 321
Views: 16390

Re: Akira Toriyama Passes Away.

Story is the same as everyone else's. Dragon Ball was an iconic franchise which I grew up with and loved. Have a lot of fond memories of it and I adore the franchise, even with its myriad of flaws and shortcomings. Toriyama wasn't the best writer or artist, but he certainly left an impression, and h...
by Lionel
Sat Feb 17, 2024 7:37 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Gotenks(Post-Rosat)>>Goku and Vegeta
Replies: 23
Views: 1106

Re: Gotenks(Post-Rosat)>>Goku and Vegeta

I don't understand why it would be so hard to believe that Gotenks could overtake his fathers at their strongest. Hybrids have been built up and aggrandised as having incredible potential that can surpass full-fledged Saiyans since the beginning of Z. Now combine that with the intensive training of ...
by Lionel
Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:48 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Why Tenshinhan/Tien can, and should get more relevance
Replies: 31
Views: 3261

Re: Why Tenshinhan/Tien can, and should get more relevance

You didn't say anything about the rivalry that I didn't say. It's an elementary drive for Vegeta because he wants to be the best (unlike Goku, who instead constantly wants to be better than before) but it's never framed as something thematically or narratively principal to any arc in Super. It's ev...
by Lionel
Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:11 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Why Tenshinhan/Tien can, and should get more relevance
Replies: 31
Views: 3261

Re: Why Tenshinhan/Tien can, and should get more relevance

His rivalry with Goku is paramount to his character, with the aforementioned qualities being something of a subsidiary aspect. Nah, I think you just fundamentally misconstrue the story structure built around these characters. I'll say it once more: Vegeta's current rivalry with Goku is no more of a...
by Lionel
Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:51 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Why Tenshinhan/Tien can, and should get more relevance
Replies: 31
Views: 3261

Re: Why Tenshinhan/Tien can, and should get more relevance

In what respect? In fact, the most interesting aspects to his personality, in my opinion, are when he's defying his own archetypal personality and subverting it like the glimpses of remorse he's shown towards the victims of his days as a murdering operative of Freeza's empire, or when he's interact...
by Lionel
Fri Dec 29, 2023 12:49 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Why Tenshinhan/Tien can, and should get more relevance
Replies: 31
Views: 3261

Re: Why Tenshinhan/Tien can, and should get more relevance

It's funny, I feel the same way about Vegeta. That's nice. I don't, and Toriyama clearly doesn't. There's probably a resurgence of Vegeta's characterization because most people find Vegeta to be an interesting, pivotal character. I'd say there's layers upon layers of more depth and development to w...
by Lionel
Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:11 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Why Tenshinhan/Tien can, and should get more relevance
Replies: 31
Views: 3261

Re: Why Tenshinhan/Tien can, and should get more relevance

The ROSAT but get extremely hot also, not just freezing. Plus there is also higher gravity in the ROSAT, compared to earth gravity. Goku does other training and not just image training, he also trains with other stronger than himself. Tenshinhan doesn't dare train with anyone stronger than himself ...
by Lionel
Thu Dec 28, 2023 3:50 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Why Tenshinhan/Tien can, and should get more relevance
Replies: 31
Views: 3261

Re: Why Tenshinhan/Tien can, and should get more relevance

Tenshinhan trains like a weakling and doesn't dare train in hard places or strong partners, therefore he shouldn't be more relevant. He refuse to train with the Saiyan, didn't dare train in the ROSAT and doesn't consider getting any masters at all. He refuse to do any special training. Piccolo and ...
by Lionel
Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:18 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Why Tenshinhan/Tien can, and should get more relevance
Replies: 31
Views: 3261

Re: Why Tenshinhan/Tien can, and should get more relevance

It has nothing to do with lacking creativity or generosity. That's ridiculous. Toriyama has no obligation to continue writing for a minor secondary character that he isn't interested in. The narrative isn't a tool for the characters, the characters are a tool for the narrative. In fact, I'd argue t...
by Lionel
Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:08 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Why Tenshinhan/Tien can, and should get more relevance
Replies: 31
Views: 3261

Re: Why Tenshinhan/Tien can, and should get more relevance

Tenshinhan trains like a weakling and doesn't dare train in hard places or strong partners, therefore he shouldn't be more relevant. He refuse to train with the Saiyan, didn't dare train in the ROSAT and doesn't consider getting any masters at all. He refuse to do any special training. Piccolo and ...
by Lionel
Sun Dec 24, 2023 11:46 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Why Tenshinhan/Tien can, and should get more relevance
Replies: 31
Views: 3261

Re: Why Tenshinhan/Tien can, and should get more relevance

People say that Tenshinhan is all washed up and has nothing left to offer. Well, I mean what about his background as the Crane student prodigy? Redeeming his school's reputation would be a personal vendetta of his, but something that could have some tangible repercussions if he decided to seek out m...
by Lionel
Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:32 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How skilled are Dragon ball characters as martial artist?
Replies: 20
Views: 2508

Re: How skilled are Dragon ball characters as martial artist?

Isn't it mentioned somewhere that Bruce, at some point during this training, went to a monastery out in Korea to learn about martial arts? He's probably been all over the world, learning, however. I would imagine the concept of Nei and the internal aspect of martial arts isn't lost on him; this is a...
by Lionel
Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:38 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Who are the current warriors in universe 7?
Replies: 7
Views: 1393

Re: Who are the current warriors in universe 7?

Gohan: returned for fights, got a new transformation, is in the 28th TB, definitely returning Piccolo: got a new transformation, is in the 28th TB, definitely returning Android 18: Seems to have returned for battles after the ToP, fought in the Moro and Super Hero sagas, and she's in the 28th TB, s...
by Lionel
Thu Aug 31, 2023 10:04 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Do you think King Cold has the same potential as his son?
Replies: 4
Views: 1405

Re: Do you think King Cold has the same potential as his son?

A Dragon Ball Multiverse type situation where Cold is the most powerful and, you could argue, most competent, sounds interesting. The only issue I have with the idea is the lack of proper foundational establishment that anyone sans Freeza could possess such horrifically vast potential with multiple ...
by Lionel
Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:10 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: What happened to that timeline the dead Future Trunks saved?
Replies: 15
Views: 2746

Re: What happened to that timeline the dead Future Trunks saved?

It's mentioned in the Daizenshuu how the Cell Games still happened after achieving his perfect form. How is this possible? Difficult to say. We know that the Trunks from the timeline Cell hails from acquired the blueprints for the deactivation remote from the fourth unseen timeline. How could anothe...
by Lionel
Thu Aug 03, 2023 7:14 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Goku's favourite and least favourite fights?
Replies: 10
Views: 1617

Re: Goku's favourite and least favourite fights?

It's hard to pinpoint a particular fight and opponent that Goku dislikes enough that it would get in the way of his enjoyment. Generally it has to involve someone who has really got to him on a personal level and whom he despises; even then it's not always the case that his animosity will trump the ...
by Lionel
Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:40 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Which villains could resist Babidi's mind control?
Replies: 7
Views: 2675

Re: Which villains could resist Babidi's mind control?

The sorcerery Babidi uses to control people is described as penetrating into the 'heart crevices' of an evil heart. I think it operates on mechanics absent power level or strength. It has to do with state of mind, impulse and will. Maybe the aspects of a person's neurobiology that have to do with im...
by Lionel
Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:34 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: What do you think Kami and Nails would have done with themselves?
Replies: 4
Views: 2057

Re: What do you think Kami and Nails would have done with themselves?

Koitsukai raises some interesting scenarios. Frankly, I thought it was myopic and pretentious of Vegeta to claim that he could remove Kami. Piccolo and Kami were literally the same being, they were simply halved and externalised on the basis of mindset and ethicality; the notions and ideals that ex...
by Lionel
Thu Jun 29, 2023 9:35 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Humans - wasted potential in movies
Replies: 6
Views: 1247

Re: Humans - wasted potential in movies

The mechanics in Dragon Ball are quite linear. If you're not strong then your prospects for narrative contribution are limited. They don't have the technical expertise of Bulma nor can they heal like Dende. Frankly their efforts to make a difference have been limited to just ferrying the battered Sa...
by Lionel
Thu Jun 29, 2023 9:29 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Anyone find it odd that Goku and Vegeta are just ok with Frieza running wild?
Replies: 15
Views: 3607

Re: Anyone find it odd that Goku and Vegeta are just ok with Frieza running wild?

It's a glaring oversight on the part of the Z-Warriors and one they shouldn't have allowed in the first place. Granted, Freeza's resurrection was part of the bargain for his participation in the tournament and any attempt to return Freeza to hell would have likely incurred Beerus's wrath at that mom...