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by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:26 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836567

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Imagine that it's a similar case between Goku and Vegeta, where Piccolo is the Vegeta equivalent.

Gohan, like Goku, is overall superior whereas Piccolo and Vegeta lag behind the peaks those 2 can reach by a bit.
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Sat Mar 16, 2024 12:06 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836567

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Something I think we ought to realize now is that we can't keep saying "Toriyama intended" now that he's gone.

We can't fall back on this line of logic anymore, and we shouldn't try to anyways.
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Fri Mar 08, 2024 1:34 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: DragonBall Z Abridged
Replies: 12426
Views: 1706806

Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

It's quite fitting, honestly.
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:12 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836567

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Actually, speaking about Piccolo, I've seen a lot of folks in other parts of the internet bring up the notion that Piccolo couldn't possibly know how strong Gamma 1 and 2 were because he can't sense them, nor gauge how strong Goku and Vegeta are due to not being able to sense God Ki. I've always fou...
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Wed Feb 21, 2024 8:49 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836567

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Also, remember that writers like Toyotaro and Toriyama tend to follow the simple common adage: "Keep It Simple, Stupid".

They're showing off their strongest forms, they bring up if it's the best, therefore it's probably the best.
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:35 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836567

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I think the best part is that Gohan Beast being up to snuff with Ultra Instinct also means that his Ultimate form has to be in the ballpark of one of Goku's lower forms, lending credence to the Gammas being as strong as Goku and Vegeta in SSB; this also naturally applies to Piccolo himself, with his...
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Fri Feb 16, 2024 8:15 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836567

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

It's interesting to think that the anime is sorta ahead of the manga in the sense that it showed us what the peak of the complete Ultra Instinct could be, shown when Goku gets that rage boost in the form and goes absolutely crazy on Jiren. In essence, the perfect Saiyan expression of Ultra Instinct ...
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Sat Feb 10, 2024 7:31 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: DragonBall Z Abridged
Replies: 12426
Views: 1706806

Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Quite liked this episode!

Krillin and Lazuli truly are the perfect couple in the series, both abridged AND canon.
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Mon Jan 29, 2024 8:17 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Dragon Ball Daima (2024)
Replies: 993
Views: 68682

Re: Dragon Ball Daima (2024)

So, you guys think we're actually seeing the Demon Realm properly this time?
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Tue Jan 23, 2024 5:08 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836567

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

All this hubbub also retroactively makes Jiren impressive again since his God of Destruction-level strength remains a tentpole achievement.
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Fri Jan 19, 2024 1:44 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836567

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I think it's still a similar case to the movie overall. Super Saiyan Vegeta was still able to trade blows and damage base Broly, but he was decidedly not guaranteed to outlast that fight. So I think of him turning Super Saiyan God as him deciding to end that fight decisively rather than bother with ...
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Thu Dec 28, 2023 1:57 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836567

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Way I'm seeing this argument, the whole thing is that the amount of power that their bodies can express can't go much higher in terms of sheer amount of Ki (denoted by "training their muscles"), and now the way that Ki is expressed is the way to go even further beyond.
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Mon Dec 25, 2023 9:17 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836567

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I was about to say this. Even in the manga Jiren fought SSBE Vegeta who he himself said was a considerable change from SSB. There's just no way Jiren is close to SSB. Do you people always over-scrutinize "feats" while completely ignoring the narrative? Chapters 39 and 40 have entire spiel...
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Sun Dec 24, 2023 5:45 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836567

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

The way I see it, the level of power that Toriyama originally envisioned for the likes of Jiren and Broly was a bit more reasonable, equivalent to a Super Saiyan's worth of power over SSB a.k.a. equal to Super Saiyan Broly. it's a major step-up from SSB that requires alternate new power-ups to reach...
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:28 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836567

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I think I agree with Mr Baggins , though it's very confusing how Broly might be stronger than Beerus but Freeza is definitely below Beerus. Handwaving stuff like Goku and Vegeta being the strongest in the Granolah Saga is also tough, I guess Broly doesn't count because he can't transform at will, a...
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:56 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836567

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Beast had a lot more trouble handling Max than in the movie. Gohan struggled during the beam clash and needed outside help and he looks exhausted after the fight is over. Considering Max and Piccolo are somewhat relative as well, I'd say it's safe to say Black Freeza is still top dog. I can't imagi...
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:39 am
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: DragonBall Z Abridged
Replies: 12426
Views: 1706806

Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

I wonder if the villains will all repent by the time Pure Buu comes around as would be canon, or if they'll still be walking around ala Toei's original idea of Hell.
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:13 am
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: DragonBall Z Abridged
Replies: 12426
Views: 1706806

Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Well looks like that's no longer a case.

Borrowing a page from Toriyama with the retcons, there!

Also, I feel like Frog-Ginyu being there could've prevented Recoome from burning everything down.
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:34 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: DragonBall Z Abridged
Replies: 12426
Views: 1706806

Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Supposed to take place in prime DBZA, though some of the movies definitely seem to have taken place.
by PerhapsTheOtherOne
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:21 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836567

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

There's also the fact that Ultimate Gohan is firmly slightly superior to the Gammas, themselves noted to be the strongest Androids ever. Given the series' penchant for escalation, it'd make sense they were stronger than 17, himself not far off of Super Saiyan Blue in both mediums. As well, knowing t...