He might have found himself in some bit of difficulty against them, though, because it would be the first time he fight two guys with TRUE teamwork between them
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- Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:33 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
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- Mon Jan 22, 2024 5:41 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Zamasu steals GT Kid Goku instead of DBS Goku
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Re: Zamasu steals GT Kid Goku instead of DBS Goku
I'm not sure Goku:Xeno is much stronger than Goku:GT, who himself as SS1 was already as strong as SS3 Goku Z (IIRC. Or was it in base?) I do agree Goku:Xeno starting from a much higher base would explain SS4 being on the same level as Blue ...except the Gokus were always portrayed as matching in pow...
- Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:50 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Zamasu steals GT Kid Goku instead of DBS Goku
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- Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:13 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
The franchise seems to be going for Jiren(and Vermouth for that matter) still being relevant, so assuming he didn't perform at his best(due to the damage taken) is a good way to do so without fucking everything up nah, if anything they'll just play it as Jiren having trained after ToP and got stron...
- Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:07 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Yeah, in that respect, I think the manga gives the best representation of Jiren’s character and explains better why he is such a formidable foe I disagree, mostly because Anime Jiren and Manga Jiren are vastly different characters(with even different character-defining backstories!), similar how Ma...
- Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:22 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
I see that ultimately Jiren was superior to Goku in their fight, but not because he is physically stronger than Goku in the literal sense, but because of his higher endurance. You can call it determination if you want or mental strength, that’s what Jiren himself implied. interesting enough, Anime ...
- Tue Dec 26, 2023 9:41 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: A rebuttal to the defense of the Zamasu arc ending
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Re: A rebuttal to the defense of the Zamasu arc ending
The ending of the Zamasu arc was all about Gods. At the bare minimum, it was to show how out of there scary was Zen'oh, the cute All-King that Goku did befriend willy-nilly the previous arc. Toriyama did kill Trunk's whole timeline just to hype his(now their) scariness and, by extension, the scarine...
- Sat Dec 23, 2023 8:23 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Beerus sparing the earth in BoG makes no sense now
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Re: Beerus sparing the earth in BoG makes no sense now
If I had to guess what the writers could be thinking, Beerus' power has been surpassed...but only as 'Beerus, the fighter', not 'Beerus, the God of Destruction'. That seems to be how Toyotaro is playing it at least. Note how Manga Toppo did highlight how Jiren was superior to Belmod specifically in...
- Sat Nov 04, 2023 10:22 am
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Jiren's power as of the Super Hero mvoie - My Take!
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2174
Re: Jiren's power as of the Super Hero mvoie - My Take!
I blame Toei for bringing SSB Kaioken into the fray. All dialogue referencing Ultra Instinct was about how it's not a power-based transformation, even before the Tournament of Power. to be fair, Kaiohken in Super has never been a winning move except against Hit. Even then, he broke Goku's body and ...
- Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:02 am
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Jiren's power as of the Super Hero mvoie - My Take!
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Re: Jiren's power as of the Super Hero mvoie - My Take!
on that note: Vegeta's description of Jiren's ki efficiency is basically a description of (part of) Ultra Instinct. Which in turn works very well with the portrayal of Jiren compared to Omen in the anime and helps explaining him being so above his own GoD AND ALSO the GoD Royal Battle in the manga: ...
- Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:25 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Jiren's power as of the Super Hero mvoie - My Take!
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Re: Jiren's power as of the Super Hero mvoie - My Take!
It's worth to note how Jiren wasn't portrayed as some sort of rough heavy hitter like DBS Broly: he was specifically stated AND showed having incredible skill and martial ability. Plus, him being "not that much" stronger can go ways: we know that being about 20% stronger is already enough ...
- Sat Oct 28, 2023 11:06 am
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Given what we have seen from other media, it's implied full UI is still the Paragon. Whis was completely playing with Broly, after all For the lack of Broly triggering Goku's transformation it's worth to note Goku was never really pushed to the wall in the movie. Hell, he and Vegeta are pretty sure ...
- Sat Oct 21, 2023 1:58 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 98 - Official Discussion Thread
- Replies: 40
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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 98 - Official Discussion Thread
Basically the Potara are the proof of a Kaiohshin, so anybody wearing one would count as a Kaioshin even if that's not their title
- Tue Oct 10, 2023 2:10 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Which villain would be the closest to achieving Ultra Instinct?
- Replies: 23
- Views: 3045
- Mon Sep 18, 2023 2:38 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
I think Darbula is somehow stronger than Perfect Cell but not as strong as Super Perfect Cell: strong enough a Super Saiyan on the brink to reach SS2(Future Trunks) cannot defeat him normally(thus: stronger than Cell Game SS1 Gohan) but he's also unable to beat the SS1 (thus: weaker than Super Perfe...
- Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:36 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: How do the other Kaioshin and Dai Kaioshin fit now?
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Re: How do the other Kaioshin and Dai Kaioshin fit now?
DaiKaiohshin was just a Kaiohshin who had to chose a successor, but kept getting distracted\forgetting so he did end up gathering AND PROMOTING four Kaiohs. He wasn't one to sweat over details, and Beerus was perfectly fine having multiple Kaioshin backup should one or EVEN two manage the absurdly d...
- Mon Sep 11, 2023 3:15 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Personally I think "Super Full Power" Jiren is, basically, Kaiohken Jiren. As in: a Jiren using all of his power at once. The final fight against Freeza, Goku and 17 is probably the best way we have to gauge his "real" base-power: everybody was running on fumes but he was still p...
- Sat Aug 19, 2023 9:39 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
The "extra bit" from Shenlong being the ability to unlock divine ki makes sense if it's because Kami was... Well, God.
- Wed Jul 05, 2023 4:53 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Low stamina mean SHORTER ACCESS to one's full power.
And Goku's stamina after Jiren was really low, but he was recovering very fast.
So fast, he could actually keep recovering stamina even while fighting at lower transformations. But not using SS3 because it's a faulty form.
And Goku's stamina after Jiren was really low, but he was recovering very fast.
So fast, he could actually keep recovering stamina even while fighting at lower transformations. But not using SS3 because it's a faulty form.
- Sun Jul 02, 2023 6:08 pm
- Forum: Dragon Ball Super
- Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
That doesn’t change the fact that regular Blue is no match for Berserker Kale, since there is nothing on that scene implying Goku was holding back. Not in the scene by itself, but it makes much more sense in the wider context. I'd say Goku did underestimate Kale more than he held back. Or, of we wa...