Kanzenshuu

This is what we know in my opinion: - Jiren is stronger than Belmod (stated in both anime and manga, very likely part of Toriyama's outline) - UI isn't that much stronger than Jiren. They have a close fight in both anime and manga. Heck, in the latter Jiren outlasts Goku. - Broly is probably stronge...

Or another way to look at it is Super Buu should be kid Buu + the two supreme kais he absorbed but with no suppression. I don't think that's the case, since Buff Buu is explicitly stated to be stronger than Super Buu yet he's just Kid Buu + South Kaioshin. The Daizenshuu 7 states that when Buu abso...

ToP SSG Goku vs RoF SSB Goku Ikari Broly vs 1st Omen Goku Suppressed Jiren vs SSG Gogeta (Broly film) True Golden Freeza vs U6 arc SSB Goku (no kaioken) & SSB Vegeta SSJ Rage Trunks (end of Black arc, no Hope Sword) vs Base Toppo SSJ4 Goku (Buu arc) vs Buuhan SSJ3 Vegeta (Cell Games) vs Fat Buu...

We can doubt Gogeta's base feats since there have been numerous istances of weaker characters somewhat holding their own like he did (hell, Goku does the same with Ikari Broly), but when looking at the bigger picture, i.e. - Kefla overpowering SSG Goku in the anime - Vegetto blowing MZ up in the ma...

We can doubt Gogeta's base feats since there have been numerous istances of weaker characters somewhat holding their own like he did (hell, Goku does the same with Ikari Broly), but when looking at the bigger picture, i.e. - Kefla overpowering SSG Goku in the anime - Vegetto blowing MZ up in the man...

The Tournament of Power as a arc as many problems, but I don't think it's the worst because of the highs reached in certain episodes. It would probably be the FNF retelling I guess, or the padding arcs written by Toei. We start off with the Exhibition Match, and I find it to be a cut above the rest ...

excelhedge wrote:I only have one question.

Is Broly alive at the end of the movie?

Yes.

So what whas the "Goku finally...?!" about?

I think that it basically comes down to how strong Goku and Vegeta are in Toriyama's vision, where there's no Kaioken or mastered versions of Blue. While in the anime SSB is nowhere near a God of Destruction, it's entirely possible Toriyama values the form much higher and Goku/Vegeta aren't ants to ...

The notion of SS Goku being equal to God starts to make less sense when you realize that he was in fact 60% of Beerus at the time, which meant either: - Toriyama went senile writing the script and forgot Goku could turn SS2 and slap Beerus out of existence - Super Saiyan wasn't supposed to replace G...

Goku and Vegeta were stated to get a rivalry boost. by the same guy who said the Potara fusion was permanent. Also, Vegetto having a Rivalry Bonus doesn't mean Kefla doesn't get a different, even greater, Bonus due their relationship Thats your headcanon that they got a greater boost to try and jus...

Ok guys, let's try to reach a consensus on the powerscaling regarding these four characters.

Hakaishin Toppo
SSBE Vegeta
2nd UIO Goku
SS2 Kefla

What's your chain regarding them and why.

New Battles 1.) Tien (TOP) vs. Muten Roshi (TOP) 2.) BofDB Goku (can't become Oozaru) vs. Videl (w/ ability to manipulate Ki) 3.) Mr. Satan vs. Chi-chi 4.) Whis vs. Vados 5.) Anilaza vs. SSJ Kefla 6.) FP Cell vs. Broly (Second Coming) 7.) Piccolo (TOP) vs Android 18 (TOP) 8.) All Hakaishin vs. Whis...

New match: (both at full power) - GoD Toppo vs. Merged Zamasu This is interesting. We know that: - Toppo's energy is identical to an Hakaishin's and he's referred to as a God - Vegeta is stronger than him but needs his Final Explosion to get the job done - Jiren, at full power, is considerably stro...

Bojack and crew vs Perfect Cell and the Cell jrs. Light Speed Dyspo vs Rose Black (scythe) Future Zamasu vs Hit (Champa arc) Android 16 vs Kamicollo & 17 (Z) Merged Zamasu (halo) vs KKx20 Goku (ep.123) Turles vs 1st Form Freeza (Z) Kamicollo vs Future 17 & 18 SSB Vegeta (Black arc Post-Rosa...

PFM18, you're a good poster but I'm gonna have to disagree with you here: Kefla has no relation with Vegetto whatsoever. Gains yielded by fusing have never been arbitrary, we can't just assume a specific form of Vegetto would be stronger than a specific form of Kefla. On top of that, Kefla has the g...

In a nutshell, the fusion boost is bigger than the "Stacked" SSJG multiplier, but pales in comparison to the ritual multiplier, as it's implied not even fusion could stop Beerus. While I don't think any form of Vegetto is comparable to God/Blue (except his own godly transformations ofc), ...

But even then Kale sent flying Vegeta and Toppo with a single hit... urgh this is a mess. You can send characters flying if you catch them off-guard: Trunks did it to SSR Black in both the anime and manga. According to Vegeta in that very chapter, catching people off-guard is what Kale's transforma...

The whole Kale-Kefla thing is really strange. We have Vados saying that Kefla has Kale's power and Caulifla's skill, referring to her as unbeatable by other contestants even after seeing what Jiren did to Goku and Hit. But then she ties with Gohan, who's stated to be weaker than Goku by Krilin...? E...

1. GoD Toppo vs Hit? (No rules, killing allowed) 2. 17 vs Dyspo? 3. Gohan, Trunks, 17 vs Kefla? (Kefla is only fused for 2 minutes) 4. Aniraza vs Dyspo and Toppo? (No GoD form) 5. Jiren vs Beerus? (No Hakai)? 1. Toppo murks him so hard it isn't even funny 2. Dyspo goes Lightspeed Mode and kills him...