Kanzenshuu

I think the next stage for both Goku and Vegeta is to make sure Ultra Instinct/Ultra Ego is a state that feels natural for them. This is what Whis conveyed to Goku from the very beginning of the arc. In that sense, I don't think either completely mastered the form. For Beerus, his mind is always on ...

That makes no sense since Shin is still a god and a natural born one to boot. Unlike Beerus who was most likely a mortal at one point like Goku and Vegeta, so he isn’t that different from Denda and Kami. If this was really about Beerus, the dragon could have easily said, “I can’t make stronger than...

Just a quick reminder that angels are considered gods in Dragon Ball. It’s just a different type from the gods of destruction. So, Toronbo was talking about Beerus and Whis in his explanation. He wouldn’t be talking about Kaioshin since Tournament of Power established that he was too far apart to b...

I don't think there is evidence of that. He conflated ss2 and 3 , and that's what caused him to reread the manga. We don't know exactly if toriyama scripted gohan being in ss other than presumably being so on the god ritual. He wrote the bog script but probably didn't choreograph the fights. We do....

good thing he read through his manga before making the film. Like how he had to be reminded of Ultimate Gohan? I don't think there is evidence of that. He conflated ss2 and 3 , and that's what caused him to reread the manga. We don't know exactly if toriyama scripted gohan being in ss other than pr...

He's not trying to impose anything. That said, Hugo Boss would have to be correct in the fact that Goku was tapping into some higher power. His stamina had reached its breaking point by the end of his battle with Kefla. Yet it was confirmed that his 2nd appearance of UI Omen was stronger than its de...

Battle of gods is one of the movies toriyama did not too long after finishing Z. So we have an idea of his frame of reference of where we place the characters. This is further supported by him giving SSJ Goku (Buu saga) the same battle power he had during frieza saga. Author's intent/evidence from ...

Android 18 claimed that his body was unusually strong. We have no idea in what she is referencing to. She could mean strong for a human fighter (which is most likely interpretation since mighty mask was human by her account). There was plenty of caveats, such as Android 18 casually dodging and pres...

It is relevant for the following reasons: 1. We know that mighty mask clothing is a non-factor weight wise since it's normal human clothing. It would have no effect on the boys speed, reflexes and strength and only hinder movements and eye sight. 2. If SSJ Boys>>>> 18, like so many of you guys head...

Her avenue of victory was exposing their identity to end the match quickly since they were firing off ki blast recklessly without a care for collateral damage. Android 18 statement serves to clue the reader into the fact that she is slowly catching on to who she is fighting. She then pieces everyth...

And 18 also stated she would win decisively against trunks and goten even though she initially complimented mighty mask. So your point? Her avenue to victory was by exposing their identity. It was not power related. Prior, Android 18 isn't shown to be completely confident in winning. My point would...

All that is in the context of Goku recovering his strength/stamina the more he fought. Hence why he was able to stack Kaioken on Blue. What is being depicted are two Saiyans at a near-equal level clashing with each other and attempting to outdo each other by going beyond their limits. That isn't a ...

I did address. My point was this. - Stronger fighters have complimented weaker fighters on their strength even when said fighter is of no concern to them. This was shown several times throughout he series. -Android 18 was fairly confident she could win. She was holding back her strength because mig...

Not stated. But what is stated is that Goku was not at full strength and stamina. Episode: 115 Time: 13:23-13:33 Context: Blue Goku is clashing with Super Saiyan Kefla. Whis: "Their energy is getting even stronger." Beerus: "Just how far are they going to go?!" What is stated is...

She also claim he was strong. Jiren claim so as well. We have many example of weaker fighters being complimented by stronger fighters, this is the point. You didn't address what I said. Jiren was clearly not concerned about Vegeta's strength since he declared that he would win even when Vegeta had ...

When he got one shotted? I think that is a stretch. However, logically I can see why you say that because he was going back and forth with Kefla. Again this is why I say it comes down to TOEI's bad writing. Goku's lack of power wasn't the reason as to why he got one-shotted so the comparison would ...

Yep. Not even at full strength, it was enough for Goku to put up a good fight. That would mean that Kaioken Blue Goku reached power on par with the U7 Genkidama that collided with Jiren's energy. When he got one shotted? I think that is a stretch. However, logically I can see why you say that becau...

No since it was stated that Goku was still "run-down" when he used Blue Kaioken too. But this form of Goku matched Super Saiyan Kefla? Yep. Not even at full strength, it was enough for Goku to put up a good fight. That would mean that Kaioken Blue Goku reached power on par with the U7 Gen...

She also acknowledge vegeta being strong before beating him down. Jiren also acknowledge vegeta's strength before one shotting him. A figher acknowledging another does not mean they are close in strength. She claimed Vegeta was nothing special. Jiren also made it clear that Vegeta couldn't beat him...

Because Goku wasn't at full stamina Champa based Kefla's victory on that and her energy being higher than expected. Was Kaioken Blue Goku at full power against Kefla? No since it was stated that Goku was still "run-down" when he used Blue Kaioken too. But this form of Goku matched Super S...