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by SupremeKai25
Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:05 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Dragon Ball Daima (2024)
Replies: 1042
Views: 77172

Re: Dragon Ball Daima (2024)

Oh boy do I hope that Daima won't have any terrible asspulls like pretty much everything about Super Perfect Cell. Hopefully Daima aligns more with Super than Z in terms of writing. Hopefully, it aligns more with the original (or the Pre-Saiyan sagas for manga purists) in terms of writing. Both wer...
by SupremeKai25
Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:37 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Dragon Ball Daima (2024)
Replies: 1042
Views: 77172

Re: Dragon Ball Daima (2024)

Oh boy do I hope that Daima won't have any terrible asspulls like pretty much everything about Super Perfect Cell. Hopefully Daima aligns more with Super than Z in terms of writing. The worst writing, asspulls and resolution in the entirety of the franchise comes from the Goku Black arc (especially...
by SupremeKai25
Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:25 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Dragon Ball Daima (2024)
Replies: 1042
Views: 77172

Re: Dragon Ball Daima (2024)

Oh boy do I hope that Daima won't have any terrible asspulls like pretty much everything about Super Perfect Cell.

Hopefully Daima aligns more with Super than Z in terms of writing.
by SupremeKai25
Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:15 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Your favorite animators and their styles.
Replies: 5
Views: 281

Re: Your favorite animators and their styles.

This thread is a good reminder to never judge a book by Page 5.

I'll say Naotoshi Shida.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNDQgR9KbwE&t
by SupremeKai25
Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:44 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The Original Movie 14.
Replies: 12
Views: 591

Re: The Original Movie 14.

By that logic, wouldn't the Future Trunks Saga be a trainwreck because it's "edgy, dark and melodramatic"? Well, No, because everyone makes fun of Zamasu and his shtick (whimsical) and everyone went to party after the Multiverse was erased (whimsical). Actually, Toei was surprisingly tame...
by SupremeKai25
Tue Apr 09, 2024 3:24 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The Original Movie 14.
Replies: 12
Views: 591

Re: The Original Movie 14.

The original script sounds like the Cell arc (edgy, dark, melodramatic) with some GT sprinkled in (edgy new form that is trying way too hard to look cool).

Terrible and boring.

I am so glad that the movie was reworked to align more closely with the original whimsical and funny roots of Dragon Ball.
by SupremeKai25
Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:34 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
Replies: 264
Views: 14400

Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"

The franchise was already being milked in the 1990s with the yearly Toei movies which are a just reskin of "Goku fights strong guy, Goku gets mad and activates transformation, Goku kills strong guy". True, 13 movies within the run time of the Z series (as well as certain other areas) is u...
by SupremeKai25
Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:13 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39939
Views: 3905322

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

There's pretty much nothing any Saiyan can do if Beerus decides to use Hakai on them.

What is Broly going to do if Beerus decides to use Hakai on him? Tank it? It's not happening.

No one has ever tanked Hakai besides Anime Golden Frieza, which was the usual Toei wanking for the Villains.
by SupremeKai25
Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:59 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
Replies: 264
Views: 14400

Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"

He probably wanted to make those because the Editors told him that Dragon Ball was too popular to end at Namek saga. So how is it any different from Super? The very quote you posted above shows us that Toriyama ultimately chose not to leave Dragon Ball. I must say this: Despite our seemingly heated...
by SupremeKai25
Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:21 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
Replies: 264
Views: 14400

Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"

We didn't, but the author wanted to make those. There's the big difference. He probably wanted to make those because the Editors told him that Dragon Ball was too popular to end at Namek saga. So how is it any different from Super? The very quote you posted above shows us that Toriyama ultimately c...
by SupremeKai25
Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:09 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
Replies: 264
Views: 14400

Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"

It's not that I'm opposed to new DB content, I like BoG (movie version) and Super Hero. While I do enjoy both of these as well for the most part and think they're the only revival material strong enough to justify the revival's existence at all, my core position has always been "We never neede...
by SupremeKai25
Sun Apr 07, 2024 8:19 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
Replies: 264
Views: 14400

Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"

How is Super milking the franchise? The Anime lasted 3 years and ended in 2018. Since then, we've only had two movies. Two movies in 6 years is really not a lot when you consider that DBZ was getting a new movie every year. We went almost 4 years (Broly movie-Super Hero movie) without any new anima...
by SupremeKai25
Sat Apr 06, 2024 1:51 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
Replies: 264
Views: 14400

Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"

Its just never shown to be that way in the past, where Goku can get impaled and then actually get a power up because of Adrenaline. When Vegeta broke Gokus legs in saiyan arc, his legs were just broken. It didn’t matter how much Goku wanted to save his friends or how much he loved his family, Gokus...
by SupremeKai25
Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:42 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
Replies: 264
Views: 14400

Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"

Suspension of disbelief is more about whether a story is able to follow the logic and the rules that it set for itself. For example If Goku getting shot through the chest by Zorbet was a life threatening situation then logically speaking, getting impaled by Zamasu should be as well. And in fact, wh...
by SupremeKai25
Sat Apr 06, 2024 12:27 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
Replies: 264
Views: 14400

Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"

Super has consistent and logical writing. Pretty much everything that happens in Super has a given reason. There are no "inexplicable plot holes" from Super. Even if a development seems completely random or sudden, the story provides some kind of reasoning for it. Also, Yes, it is an impo...
by SupremeKai25
Sat Apr 06, 2024 10:27 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
Replies: 264
Views: 14400

Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"

What is wrong with "suspension of disbelief"? It's a common device that is required to consume any story. Do you not "suspend your disbelief" when you accept that there are magical flying lizards who can spit fire in Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones? Are you not "suspen...
by SupremeKai25
Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:32 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
Replies: 264
Views: 14400

Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"

What is wrong with "suspension of disbelief"? It's a common device that is required to consume any story. Do you not "suspend your disbelief" when you accept that there are magical flying lizards who can spit fire in Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones? Are you not "suspend...
by SupremeKai25
Fri Apr 05, 2024 6:03 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Frieza's role more obvious than it seems
Replies: 10
Views: 1172

Re: Frieze's role more obvious than it seems

I'm pretty sure he brought back Frieza simply because he knew that the average Super watcher is a nostalgic 1990s fan who wants to relive the villains of their childhood, which is why he also decided to bring back Broly and Cell. I don't think he had any particular plan for Frieza besides milking th...
by SupremeKai25
Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:02 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39939
Views: 3905322

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Plus, in the manga, he quite literally saw Beerus fight at full power in a free for all between the other gods. We know he had to have gone all out because the Grand Priest threatened them with death if they were caught not fighting with everything they had. You could argue the threat wasn't seriou...
by SupremeKai25
Thu Apr 04, 2024 5:40 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39939
Views: 3905322

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Should be taken into account that Goku and Beerus don't exist, it was Toriyama who said those words about Broly, through Goku, and Toriyama knew how strong he wanted Beerus to be. Just like he was the one saying, not Vegeta(because he also doesn't exist), that hybrids are stronger than saiyans... s...