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by SupremeKai25
Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:27 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39959
Views: 3911117

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

And yet, in the Tournament of Power, Vegeta sacrifices himself for Goku, recognizing Goku as the only one who can defeat Jiren and "trenspass into the domain of the Gods". Yes, because Goku's upbringing and training leads him to be better attuned to achieve and master UI, Vegeta and other...
by SupremeKai25
Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:28 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39959
Views: 3911117

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Give Freeza the same half-century training with several gods Goku got and he'd have to fuse with Beerus to beat him. Actually, No, because there is no evidence that Frieza has limitless potential, meanwhile it is indeed stated multiple times that the Saiyans have infinite potential. Where was that ...
by SupremeKai25
Thu Apr 18, 2024 12:18 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39959
Views: 3911117

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Give Freeza the same half-century training with several gods Goku got and he'd have to fuse with Beerus to beat him. Actually, No, because there is no evidence that Frieza has limitless potential, meanwhile it is indeed stated multiple times that the Saiyans have infinite potential. It is more like...
by SupremeKai25
Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:09 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39959
Views: 3911117

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

We've reached the point where we need to explicitly explain to people that being the MC and ending up as the strongest in no way means there cannot be somebody else with far greater potential, even though the show goes out of its way to say "you've trained 40 years, I've trained 4 months, and ...
by SupremeKai25
Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:53 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39959
Views: 3911117

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Goku has been training his whole life and he's still weaker than Freeza. Both times they fought Goku only won because of a miracle (A legendary transformation nobody had seen in 1,000 years and then Freeza's own hubris). Hot take, but I actually think Goku isn't gifted and has average potential for...
by SupremeKai25
Wed Apr 17, 2024 6:12 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39959
Views: 3911117

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Goku has been training his whole life and he's still weaker than Freeza. Both times they fought Goku only won because of a miracle (A legendary transformation nobody had seen in 1,000 years and then Freeza's own hubris). Hot take, but I actually think Goku isn't gifted and has average potential for...
by SupremeKai25
Wed Apr 17, 2024 1:18 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Dragon Ball Daima (2024)
Replies: 1048
Views: 79093

Re: Dragon Ball Daima (2024)

I wasn’t really saying that Daima “is” a remake to GT. You’re right that that’s probably not the intention, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that was a comparison made by people producing the anime. It certainly will be one by the people who are watching it. I absolutely do think the absence of Whis ...
by SupremeKai25
Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:24 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39959
Views: 3911117

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Not that this needs explaining, but "gas left in the tank" is so vague it can mean anywhere from 20% to 90% stamina remaining. Goku asked a general question that was answered in the affirmative, and there's not a single thing implying that Gohan was particularly exhausted. It was a pretty...
by SupremeKai25
Wed Apr 17, 2024 6:26 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Dragon Ball Daima (2024)
Replies: 1048
Views: 79093

Re: Dragon Ball Daima (2024)

As far as I can see, there is no evidence that Daima doesn't fall within the Super timeline. The absence of Beerus and Whis isn't evidence. Regardless, Daima is still a product of the Revival/Modern era, therefore it will share story beats with Super. I don't see this series having anything in commo...
by SupremeKai25
Wed Apr 17, 2024 6:06 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
Replies: 267
Views: 14629

Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"

What I find very interesting is the people who don't want Super to exist (a very selfish position), but are simultaneously fine with GT existing. How is it even possible? How is it possible to hate Super with such passion, but don't hate GT in the same way? It's not like GT's writing, art/animation,...
by SupremeKai25
Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:48 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Non-thread-worthy discussions
Replies: 4635
Views: 592786

Re: Non-thread-worthy discussions

Just re-read MUI Goku vs Moro. In terms of narrative substance it's easily one of the worst fights in the history of the franchise. Goku acts so insanely, blindingly stupid it actually hurts to read, he spends 20 pages not killing Moro... for no real reason at all and almost threw the whole fight a...
by SupremeKai25
Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:05 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Dragon Ball Daima (2024)
Replies: 1048
Views: 79093

Re: Dragon Ball Daima (2024)

Oh boy do I hope that Daima won't have any terrible asspulls like pretty much everything about Super Perfect Cell. Hopefully Daima aligns more with Super than Z in terms of writing. Hopefully, it aligns more with the original (or the Pre-Saiyan sagas for manga purists) in terms of writing. Both wer...
by SupremeKai25
Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:37 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Dragon Ball Daima (2024)
Replies: 1048
Views: 79093

Re: Dragon Ball Daima (2024)

Oh boy do I hope that Daima won't have any terrible asspulls like pretty much everything about Super Perfect Cell. Hopefully Daima aligns more with Super than Z in terms of writing. The worst writing, asspulls and resolution in the entirety of the franchise comes from the Goku Black arc (especially...
by SupremeKai25
Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:25 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Dragon Ball Daima (2024)
Replies: 1048
Views: 79093

Re: Dragon Ball Daima (2024)

Oh boy do I hope that Daima won't have any terrible asspulls like pretty much everything about Super Perfect Cell.

Hopefully Daima aligns more with Super than Z in terms of writing.
by SupremeKai25
Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:15 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Your favorite animators and their styles.
Replies: 5
Views: 300

Re: Your favorite animators and their styles.

This thread is a good reminder to never judge a book by Page 5.

I'll say Naotoshi Shida.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNDQgR9KbwE&t
by SupremeKai25
Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:44 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The Original Movie 14.
Replies: 12
Views: 612

Re: The Original Movie 14.

By that logic, wouldn't the Future Trunks Saga be a trainwreck because it's "edgy, dark and melodramatic"? Well, No, because everyone makes fun of Zamasu and his shtick (whimsical) and everyone went to party after the Multiverse was erased (whimsical). Actually, Toei was surprisingly tame...
by SupremeKai25
Tue Apr 09, 2024 3:24 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The Original Movie 14.
Replies: 12
Views: 612

Re: The Original Movie 14.

The original script sounds like the Cell arc (edgy, dark, melodramatic) with some GT sprinkled in (edgy new form that is trying way too hard to look cool).

Terrible and boring.

I am so glad that the movie was reworked to align more closely with the original whimsical and funny roots of Dragon Ball.
by SupremeKai25
Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:34 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
Replies: 267
Views: 14629

Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"

The franchise was already being milked in the 1990s with the yearly Toei movies which are a just reskin of "Goku fights strong guy, Goku gets mad and activates transformation, Goku kills strong guy". True, 13 movies within the run time of the Z series (as well as certain other areas) is u...
by SupremeKai25
Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:13 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39959
Views: 3911117

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

There's pretty much nothing any Saiyan can do if Beerus decides to use Hakai on them.

What is Broly going to do if Beerus decides to use Hakai on him? Tank it? It's not happening.

No one has ever tanked Hakai besides Anime Golden Frieza, which was the usual Toei wanking for the Villains.
by SupremeKai25
Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:59 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"
Replies: 267
Views: 14629

Re: The end of "Akira Toriyama canon"

He probably wanted to make those because the Editors told him that Dragon Ball was too popular to end at Namek saga. So how is it any different from Super? The very quote you posted above shows us that Toriyama ultimately chose not to leave Dragon Ball. I must say this: Despite our seemingly heated...