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It's a popular claim that in the DBS manga Goku and Vegeta didn't absorb SSJG into their base forms. But if that's the case why does base Vegeta have a SSJG aura when sparing against Goku in the first chapter of the Universe 6 Tournament arc? Base Vegeta God aura: https://i.imgur.com/DrPDJPp.png SS...

Also, I just remembered what Goku told Trunks in the original series: Trunks: Can you become a Super Saiyan at will? Goku: Yeah. I couldn't at first, but after a lot of practice I learned to control it. That's exactly the same verbiage from Broly when he said himself that he couldn't use Super Saiy...

If you think Broly is stronger than Beerus with his max power, then you have to admit that Gohan is the strongest period with his max power. The direct implication of the line said for Gohan is that the condition for him to be the strongest is getting the limelight basically. Statements being retcon...

Gohan has not actually controlled Beasts Max power, he has control over the maximum amount of power he can muster BEFORE going berserk and only for a short time as it drains his stamina since he hasn't mastered the form. Gohan cannot access the true full power of Beast until he can master it to the ...

That's only for the movie, there is no indication thr green hair form or dimension break happened in the manga. His hair isn't green in the manga if you believe Shueisha's colorists, but the form itself absolutely happened. Per Naohiro Shintani, Toriyama only drew Broly's designs up to his less bul...

Chapter 103 Broly compared to Broly (vs Blue Gogeta).....which one is supposed to be stronger? I was under the impression that Broly didn't access his "Beserk" level of strength vs Gohan, therefor he is still way stronger than what chapter 103 showed......or am I wrong? It depends. If you...

If you compare the panels, Broly got much bigger when he transformed. I think it's safe to say he was a SSJFP/LSSJ/Controlled Berserker. I think he's a bit stronger so Ikari, Blue and Ultimate can be on equal terms, but that's probably not enough to surpass Gogeta. I don't see Current Broly beating...

I disagree about Gohan being ahead of Goku mostly because, while Gohan has been practicing with his new form, Goku has a much better control over Ultra Instinct. So, the thrust of the chapter for me is that Gohan has more power and speed, but Goku has more experience and control over his skills, wh...

Also, I want to be clear that I'm not even disagreeing that Gohan had the edge against Broly, even though that edge was attributed more to Gohan's experience than his power. I think most of us would concur he's at the top right now. The gap between him and the others just isn't as wide as a lot of ...

"I see some bad takes" Correct. I also see some bad faith. If you're going to address a point I made, you can respond to me directly. The quote feature exists for a reason. Yes, there are bad and self-evidently biased takes from at least a couple of users in this thread. My post didn't qu...

"I see some bad takes" Nobody said Broly didn't have more power to tap into, lest he go berserk in doing so. When both were are their controlled forms Gohan had the edge obviously. Gohan's surprise is at Broly's power AS A SUPER SAIYAN and he even points out Brolys Super Saiyan is not like...

The point is, Goku and Gohan were the stars of the show. Heck you even have one translation stating it was "strongest vs strongest." Broly's SSJ couldn't even best Gohan when Gohan was not even at full power ["some gas left in the tank"]. Yet Broly got tossed by Gohan. This is G...

True UI is not Goku's strongest. I'm pretty sure it is, though, in the category of "strength" as opposed to "technique". Goku even says that he wasn't fighting to actually beat Gohan, just to test out Gohan's power. Such a statement could mean that Goku had something in reserve,...

Not only that, Broly was using his "FPSS" but he controlled it. Goku even thought he went Berserk. Gohan also cannot control Beast's full power yet, he goes Berserk when he tries to use its true full power and we don't even know exactly how much stronger that is so having it on a list is j...

It was just revealed by Toyotaro that Toriyama worked directly on the SH Manga Arc. Toyo worked mostly on the prequel Arc that focused on Goten and Trunks.

People keep forgetting that if you are not a great amount faster than somebody using UI they will dodge or block you and react to you fairly well. Also that literally A and B could have the same power level and same speed but if A has UI he will win thanks to UI's Auto ability. So in terms of power ...

I wonder if Toyo will finish doing what Toriyama was thinking about doing and give Gohan another new form or advancement to Beast? Toriyama seemed to be thinking of doing that but didn't know how to make it look.

Nope, Goku got two pieced and sent flying into the ground at an insane impact speed and the impact with the ground knocked him clean out of UI and we see this with him hitting the ground then immediately jumping upward whereas he is no longer in UI. Don't claim to be objective yet continue to make ...

You must be forgetting how UI works. Goku needs to remain calm in it(he has seemingly mastered his ability to remain calm in it as the shock from Gohans transformation and from Gohans power up did not make him lose it), and it possesses auto-dodge and auto-block. Goku going back into UI has not bee...

Beast Gohan hitting UI Goku isn't special. Jiren did it. Moro and Granolah did as well. But generally UI Goku can't be hit and that is the point. Beast can be stronger but if he can't hit or rarely hits UI Goku then what is the point of all that power? (Plus UI Goku gets hit when his stamina lowers...