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by Cipher
Wed Mar 29, 2023 11:27 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: What are some overlooked quotes or moments you enjoy?
Replies: 19
Views: 376

Re: What are some overlooked quotes or moments you enjoy?

When Dabura petrifies Kuririn and Piccolo, and Goku asks worriedly if there's any way to bring them back to normal. Shin explains hopelessly that the only way is to kill Dabura, the literal tyrant of the Demon Realm. Goku just gives this evil, cocky smirk and says something like "oh good, I th...
by Cipher
Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:46 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Did Baby increase Vegeta's strength or did he just gave him extra abilities?
Replies: 11
Views: 236

Re: Did Baby increase Vegeta's strength or did he just gave him extra abilities?

I always kind of just assumed that Baby could have augmented the powers of anyone he had settled into as a "permanent" host in the same way he did Vegeta--Vegeta was just the most powerful candidate he could get his hands on at that point (apparently, with Gohan having gotten weaker again ...
by Cipher
Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:39 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: What are some overlooked quotes or moments you enjoy?
Replies: 19
Views: 376

Re: What are some overlooked quotes or moments you enjoy?

I'm going to offer a a Super manga moment: Vermoud commenting that he still believes in Jiren even after Jiren's been put on the ropes and Vermoud has essentially opened up about his lone-wolf mentality being wrong (Chapter 41, shortly before the climax). Just a nice little character moment, and a k...
by Cipher
Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:34 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 38341
Views: 3401954

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Whoever invented the 50x figure for Super Saiyan was clearly just trying to keep it consistent with Kaioken's multipliers, since it's supposed to be stronger. Toriyama went on record to say he never actually imagined it being that powerful. Super Saiyan God though? You can tell that's meant to be a...
by Cipher
Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:23 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: What IYO is the best and worst ending to a DB saga?
Replies: 25
Views: 537

Re: What IYO is the best and worst ending to a DB saga?

Best: Boo arc - It ends the series, wrapping up most outstanding character arcs along the way. so maybe this is an obvious choice, but it’s also one of the best self-contained arc endings in DB . The series uses its final scenes to define and lionize (in its way) Goku as its protagonist, and therein...
by Cipher
Fri Mar 24, 2023 11:13 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Moro arc vs Granolah arc
Replies: 11
Views: 670

Re: Moro arc vs Granolah arc

Toyotaro’s arcs fall into a similar trap of being too formulaic, but in a different way to the movies. The whole Rocky III revenge routine of Goku and Vegeta encountering the main antagonist early on, fighting him one by one, cycling through all their forms, getting overpowered, and regrouping to t...
by Cipher
Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:26 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Moro arc vs Granolah arc
Replies: 11
Views: 670

Re: Moro arc vs Granolah arc

I have to step up to bat for the Granolah arc here. I enjoy the Moro arc well enough while going through it, and it has some highlights, but pound for pound I think it's probably on the bottom of Super (and therein DB writ large) for me. The plot is bog-standard a supervillain-of-the-day, which in s...
by Cipher
Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:43 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 38341
Views: 3401954

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I don't see what that contradicts in my statement? Base Goku in the ToP arc is stronger than the Kaioshins after he has gone through multiple training arcs since BoG, especially the Black arc training arc which multiplied his power immensely (Goku and Vegeta went from getting destroyed by SS1 Black...
by Cipher
Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:39 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Would there be an interest at this point in adapting the U6, Zamasu and ToP arcs into movies?
Replies: 8
Views: 232

Re: Would there be an interest at this point in adapting the U6, Zamasu and ToP arcs into movies?

I think that, while it would be great to get some condensed versions or manga adaptations as OVAs or something, the content is both too long, and perhaps too ill-suited to movies, to work. I suspect if we ever get a retread or attempt at a single-medium Super , we’d just see a ground-up manga adapta...
by Cipher
Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:15 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 42457
Views: 5055778

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Assuming an average of 40 pages per DBS chapter and 20 pages per DB chapter, as a rough estimate, if DBS were running weekly, we would be at around 180 chapters at this point. By this point in the original series, we were about 10 chapters away from "Z." I'm not sure if this info is parti...
by Cipher
Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:14 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 91 - Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 50
Views: 3114

Re: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 91 - Official Discussion Thread

Krillin vs Dr. Hedo's bug is honestly crazy. You mean to tell me that this same bug is way stronger than 90% of characters from the Namek Arc? I mean... that's the whole context of the scene. There's a reason that when Hachimaru re-activates itself and takes out Kuririn, it's interpolated with Hedo...
by Cipher
Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:28 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 91 - Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 50
Views: 3114

Re: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 91 - Official Discussion Thread

I normally don't use twitter as a barometer for anything, but was pleasantly surprised to see Toyotaro getting praise for the art of this chapter in comparison to the movie. I think he did a good job making it his own even though it is as close to being a shot-for-shot recreation as can be without ...
by Cipher
Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:32 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 91 - Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 50
Views: 3114

Re: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 91 - Official Discussion Thread

I normally don't use twitter as a barometer for anything, but was pleasantly surprised to see Toyotaro getting praise for the art of this chapter in comparison to the movie. I think he did a good job making it his own even though it is as close to being a shot-for-shot recreation as can be without ...
by Cipher
Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:33 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: How's Toriyama doing these days?
Replies: 30
Views: 1047

Re: How's Toriyama doing these days?

He also has the sole screenwriting credit for other movies like Resurrection F, but according to him, it's "just a memo" and "something I idly dashed off for the staff, just to help explain the flow of the story and the dialogue". How do we know that all of his scripts aren't ju...
by Cipher
Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:37 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: How's Toriyama doing these days?
Replies: 30
Views: 1047

Re: How's Toriyama doing these days?

Thanks for sharing. I hadn't heard of the recent character designs or seen that Toyotaro interview. I guess a lot of where my idea of Toriyama's involvement being an exaggeration comes from is at the beginning of each chapter in the Super manga, he gets the sole writing credit instead of at least s...
by Cipher
Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:16 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 42457
Views: 5055778

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

When they created Black Frieza, do you think they had Vegeta's warnings about Frieza getting stronger in the Broly movie in mind? Or do folks think it's just a coincidence & an asspull? I think it’s more than sufficiently set up—while also remaining a fun punchline and surprise—by that line, th...
by Cipher
Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:23 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Worst decisions ever made
Replies: 22
Views: 791

Re: Worst decisions ever made

Starting the series off on so many rape/sexual harrassment jokes. You have no idea how often I see this posing a very, very understandable hurdle for curious 2020s readers on Reddit, etc. Almost all of the first arc's humor could also be restructured to work without them--see US TV edits of Episode ...
by Cipher
Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:41 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: How's Toriyama doing these days?
Replies: 30
Views: 1047

Re: How's Toriyama doing these days?

We have drawings from him for Super Hero and the Granolah arc, and comments for the former as well. That's it, but it's about as much as we've gotten since Super started, outside of some comments for the 30th anniversary book and the interviews in the back of the first few manga volumes. The last ve...
by Cipher
Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:21 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Could the Moro and Granolla Animated Adaptations get the same hype as Black and ToP?
Replies: 20
Views: 700

Re: Could the Moro and Granolla Animated Adaptations get the same hype as Black and ToP?

It’d operate exactly like any other manga adaptation anime, right? Some readers would ignore it, but it would still get plenty of talk and attention from those experiencing it for the first time, or from comic-readers as far as how it worked as an adaptation. (I also really feel like people are unde...
by Cipher
Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:49 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Top 5 DB Movies
Replies: 18
Views: 558

Re: Top 5 DB Movies

The four Toriyama-scripted movies are a sweep for me. (Even “F” , the weakest of the lot, provides a new status quo and a heap of character interactions that immediately feel like they were provided by the original author), and then Z Movie 8 would bring up the rear as my favorite original-run entry...