Kanzenshuu

I just can't see current SS3 Gotenks being anywhere near SSB tier when he couldn't even beat base Copy Vegeta a few years before.

Even SSG tier feels like it's being way too generous.

Bardock [DBS] vs Appule. Galactic King vs Kid Vegeta. Guldo [No psychic abilities] vs Nappa. Tagoma [Pre Training] vs Dodoria. 18 [ToP arc] vs Frost [ToP arc]. They're about the same. Bardock barely wins since I imagine he's the better fighter [s]and has asspull power too.[/s] I have Galactic King ...

There's pretty much nothing any Saiyan can do if Beerus decides to use Hakai on them. What is Broly going to do if Beerus decides to use Hakai on him? Tank it? It's not happening. No one has ever tanked Hakai besides Anime Golden Frieza, which was the usual Toei wanking for the Villains. That was a...

We have official previews for the movie that puts his power at 10,000 as a kid. I'm guessing this is when he gets his rage boosts since his normal power is at 920. I have no idea if his Oozaru form would take that or his rage power as it's base. I see no problem in Broly completely destroying everyt...

1. Ultimate Piccolo vs Ikari Broly 2. Gamma 1 & 2 vs Ultimate Piccolo, Android 17, Android 18, SSJ3 Gotenks and Majin Buu 3. Initial Imperfect Cell vs Pre-hyperbolic time SSJ Vegeta and SSJ Future Trunks Which characters could GT Pan beat in the tournament of power? 1) Piccolo should take this ...

Super Boo (Vegetto absorbed, permanent fusion) has to go through the events of Super. He kills Shin, meaning no Beerus, but he still has to face Golden Freeza after 4 years, Goku Black/Zamasu a year later, Broly, Moro afterwards as well as Granolah/Gas. Which threats could he realistically handle? ...

Bardock [DBS] vs Appule.
Galactic King vs Kid Vegeta.
Guldo [No psychic abilities] vs Nappa.
Tagoma [Pre Training] vs Dodoria.
18 [ToP arc] vs Frost [ToP arc].

In the manga, Black's Rosé seems to function as the equivalent of Blue, but in the anime, it seems like it's just his equivalent of Super Saiyan. You could have argued this already because his base form was already strong enough to contend with SS2 Goku and later even SSB Vegeta, but in Heroes we s...

Yuji wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:35 am SS2 Future Gohan (manga) vs Future 17
SS2 Future Gohan (anime) vs Future 17 and 18
SS2 Future Gohan (anime) vs Future Imperfect Cell

Gohan loses all 3.

After reading it again, it looks like Gohan has three 'levels' to his Beast form; Base Beast(he simply activates the form and fights like normal), Controlled Beast(he powers up as much as he can without losing himself), and Rage Beast(he goes all out in fury). With that in mind and If I had to rank...

Yuji wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:06 am Base Saiyans could be argued to be stronger than Shin back in the Boo arc already.

And that argument would be wrong since BoG confirms Namek Freeza > Base Goku and Shin can one shot that Freeza.

^ I don't think the Super version will have SS2 and SS3, the objective was probably to put a limit to the number of transformations so that you don't have five forms like SS, SS2, SS3, SS God, SS Blue. This is also probably why Freeza has a Super version himself, because they didn't want to stack G...

So Piccolo in the original manga refused to participated in the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai because he was not in the level of Goku and others anymore, but in Super (anime/manga) he now is. So isn't that a bit contradictory? I mean, how much time is left from the last chapter of DBS until the tournament...

He was keeping up just fine and had the upper hand in Super Saiyan against them individually. Super Saiyan 2 would probably have been enough but ultimate seems more efficient. Depends on how strong you think SS Gohan is currently but at best, in the manga, current SS are as strong as Boo arc SS2s. ...

Very interesting.

So what would be it's multiplier? 75?

Toriyama didn’t exactly frame which version and from which story arc he thinks Orange Piccolo rivals Goku. He just speaks broadly about Goku and co . For context, this information came in June 2022 , same month that chapter #85 was released, when Goku figured out UI Sign was the best form when his ...

Hugo Boss wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:34 am I’m not sure what you mean by “huh”? Is there anything suggesting Orange Piccolo would fight like that against Beast Gohan? I’m confused.

Toriyama's word.

Piccolo rivals Goku and Goku can fight on par with a calmed Beast Gohan so Piccolo can do the same.

Well, considering how his fight against Gohan played out, I think it’s unlikely that Piccolo would rival Goku anyway. This only reinforces that Toriyama was talking about a version of Goku from the past. His best showing before fighting Gohan was against Gas, and right before the Super Hero chapter...

Block88 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:47 pm How strong you have orange Piccolo?

80-90% of UI Goku.

Hugo Boss wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:14 pm That would depend on which version of Goku that Toriyama was talking about. Probably not the Goku that we saw on chapters #102 and #103. Maybe the UI Sign version from his fight against Gas?

That doesn't work. If Piccolo is as strong as UI Sign then he really doesn't rival Goku.