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by ZombieVito
Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:52 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 37470
Views: 3405203

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Yuji wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:35 am SS2 Future Gohan (manga) vs Future 17
SS2 Future Gohan (anime) vs Future 17 and 18
SS2 Future Gohan (anime) vs Future Imperfect Cell
Gohan loses all 3.
by ZombieVito
Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:00 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39830
Views: 3837285

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

After reading it again, it looks like Gohan has three 'levels' to his Beast form; Base Beast(he simply activates the form and fights like normal), Controlled Beast(he powers up as much as he can without losing himself), and Rage Beast(he goes all out in fury). With that in mind and If I had to rank...
by ZombieVito
Sun Mar 24, 2024 1:38 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 37470
Views: 3405203

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Yuji wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:06 am Base Saiyans could be argued to be stronger than Shin back in the Boo arc already.
And that argument would be wrong since BoG confirms Namek Freeza > Base Goku and Shin can one shot that Freeza.
by ZombieVito
Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:10 pm
Forum: Video Games
Topic: SPARKING! ZERO - Visual Roster Checker
Replies: 16
Views: 895

Re: SPARKING! ZERO - Visual Roster Checker

^ I don't think the Super version will have SS2 and SS3, the objective was probably to put a limit to the number of transformations so that you don't have five forms like SS, SS2, SS3, SS God, SS Blue. This is also probably why Freeza has a Super version himself, because they didn't want to stack G...
by ZombieVito
Sat Mar 23, 2024 2:56 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39830
Views: 3837285

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

So Piccolo in the original manga refused to participated in the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai because he was not in the level of Goku and others anymore, but in Super (anime/manga) he now is. So isn't that a bit contradictory? I mean, how much time is left from the last chapter of DBS until the tournament...
by ZombieVito
Sat Mar 23, 2024 2:32 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 37470
Views: 3405203

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

He was keeping up just fine and had the upper hand in Super Saiyan against them individually. Super Saiyan 2 would probably have been enough but ultimate seems more efficient. Depends on how strong you think SS Gohan is currently but at best, in the manga, current SS are as strong as Boo arc SS2s. ...
by ZombieVito
Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:18 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Legendary Super Saiyan is weaker than a Super Saiyan 2?
Replies: 6
Views: 172

Re: Legendary Super Saiyan is weaker than a Super Saiyan 2?

Very interesting.

So what would be it's multiplier? 75?
by ZombieVito
Fri Mar 22, 2024 3:38 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39830
Views: 3837285

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Toriyama didn’t exactly frame which version and from which story arc he thinks Orange Piccolo rivals Goku. He just speaks broadly about Goku and co . For context, this information came in June 2022 , same month that chapter #85 was released, when Goku figured out UI Sign was the best form when his ...
by ZombieVito
Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:50 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39830
Views: 3837285

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Hugo Boss wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:34 am I’m not sure what you mean by “huh”? Is there anything suggesting Orange Piccolo would fight like that against Beast Gohan? I’m confused.
Toriyama's word.

Piccolo rivals Goku and Goku can fight on par with a calmed Beast Gohan so Piccolo can do the same.
by ZombieVito
Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:08 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39830
Views: 3837285

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Well, considering how his fight against Gohan played out, I think it’s unlikely that Piccolo would rival Goku anyway. This only reinforces that Toriyama was talking about a version of Goku from the past. His best showing before fighting Gohan was against Gas, and right before the Super Hero chapter...
by ZombieVito
Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:22 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39830
Views: 3837285

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Block88 wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:47 pm How strong you have orange Piccolo?
80-90% of UI Goku.
by ZombieVito
Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:39 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39830
Views: 3837285

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Hugo Boss wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:14 pm That would depend on which version of Goku that Toriyama was talking about. Probably not the Goku that we saw on chapters #102 and #103. Maybe the UI Sign version from his fight against Gas?
That doesn't work. If Piccolo is as strong as UI Sign then he really doesn't rival Goku.
by ZombieVito
Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:08 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39830
Views: 3837285

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

It looks like all 4 Saiyans are maybe comparable after all, perhaps with Gohan as the number one in brute strength alone, but nevertheless Goku and Vegeta make up the gap in experience and skill. From this chapter's showing Broly seems to be lagging behind all the other 3, as his raw strength was c...
by ZombieVito
Thu Mar 21, 2024 3:33 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 37470
Views: 3405203

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Android 19 [At his max against Vegeta but can't absorb more power] vs Piccolo [Start of the Android arc]. Future Trunks [Start of the Android arc and no Super Saiyan] vs Gohan and Krillin [Both start of the Android arc]. Chaoz [Android arc] vs 1st form Freeza [Namek arc]. Videl [Post Ki training] vs...
by ZombieVito
Wed Mar 20, 2024 12:47 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39830
Views: 3837285

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

So the chapter is out and it looks like Gohan Beast is on UI Goku's level. Its hard to say if he's stronger or not when Goku was briefly stated to have advantage over him because of his experience and Goku also ended their match quickly. Gohan Beast was only able to land hits on UI Goku when he tap...
by ZombieVito
Sun Mar 17, 2024 1:36 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Is Super on its way out?
Replies: 41
Views: 2046

Re: Is Super on its way out?

I think Super should end with whatever Toriyama left in his notes. If they want to milk the franchise some more (but without Toriyama for obvious reasons) they should've change the name and start something new - a "non canon" continuation. It's the best way to avoid even bigger mess (beca...
by ZombieVito
Sat Mar 16, 2024 9:12 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39830
Views: 3837285

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

So people think current Gogeta or Vegetto can't beat Beerus? :shock: No, they cannot. This is the only counter to Beerus' power: https://i.ibb.co/TYZxg2C/Screenshot-2024-03-16-at-23-49-20-Dragon-Ball-Super-Chapter-26-Mangakakalot.png Immortality. Nothing else can counter Beerus. That is why no one ...
by ZombieVito
Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:48 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39830
Views: 3837285

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

So people think current Gogeta or Vegetto can't beat Beerus?

:shock:
by ZombieVito
Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:06 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Is Super on its way out?
Replies: 41
Views: 2046

Re: Is Super on its way out?

Like SupremeKai25 said, it's almost certain they will animate at least Moro and Granola eventually, I would also assume they'd make a television retelling of the Broli and Superhero movies. The "Super" brand is not going anywhere soon I think. However, there is something to be said about ...
by ZombieVito
Sat Mar 16, 2024 1:43 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 37470
Views: 3405203

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

GatoF wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:57 am (DBS) Base Broly vs (DBS) 4th form Freeza
Broly finger flicks. With Ikari (Which is 10 times base) he was holding his own against SSB Goku.