Kanzenshuu

How strong is Majin Buu (Fat Buu/Mr Buu) after his expulsion from Kid Buu? We know when he was whole that he was strong enough to weather SSJ2 Vegeta's deathsplosion, though Goku claimed he could've killed him as a SSJ3 if he wasn't holding back. But in DBS, Buu fights one of the wolf trio and more...

Just like the movie, the manga will also have Gohan the strongest in the universe too. Backing up Toriyama's own statement and him referring to his own plot point for Gohan in Super Hero. And Piccolo will be on par with UI Goku and UE Vegeta. I can't wait to see how people try to nerf him again lol.

There is very little distinction between "the serialization", or at least the manga's serialization, and "Toriyama's notes". Toriyama checks and approves (and even sometimes directly contributes to) every chapter. 17 and ToP Ultimate Gohan are on the lower to middle end of the B...

Who's the strongest character that Orange Nail could beat? I imagine Nail already had his potential unlocked since he lives with Guru, so we just apply the Orange multiplier instead of guessing how strong Ultimate Nail would be first. I have Orange as a 500x boost to catch up with UI. This places N...

Complete is just implied to be Blue at 100% all the time. That's simply impossible. Goku vs Fused Zamasu and Vegeta vs Beerus just can't happen like they do if that was the case. Why not? The moment incomplete Blue is activated, it's never at 100%. It's depleting energy by the second. Vegeta is spe...

Yuji wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:00 am Complete is just implied to be Blue at 100% all the time.

That's simply impossible. Goku vs Fused Zamasu and Vegeta vs Beerus just can't happen like they do if that was the case.

Yuji wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 5:45 pm SSB can't be 50x SSG going by the manga. God is stronger than Blue at 10% so perfected Blue is at most less than 10x stronger.

Complete Super Saiyan Blue can be 50 times.

This probably have been already discussed here, but since RoF (2015), Goku explains that Blue is basically Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan... that could mean SSJB = Super Saiyan God x50? Also have anyone ever tried to do a list based on the Kili meter ? Yeah. I always took it as SSB being 50 times SS...

I respect the Daizenshuu’s take, but I think it’s merely based on Piccolo’s controversial response to his friends after he dropped his match against Shin, which you can figure it was because of the memory he had when he was Earth’s God. So, the most likely explanation is that he withdrew out of res...

Shin and Kibito aren’t capable of lifting the Z Sword, but Gohan can, even without Super Saiyan. Though a fight is a different matter. Shin can beat Piccolo because he has those special powers, which Piccolo has no counter. Shin never tries... Also Shin's superiority to Piccolo has never mentioned ...

I read the Super chapter again and it's very straight forward. Whis says the roar is powerful enough to knock out someone on at the level of a Kaioshin. Nothing about endurance or body type is said so base Goku is simply stronger than the Kaioshin level. I think Boo arc already established that Kai...

So what it boils down is that Piccolo said the Gammas are as strong as Goku and Vegeta supposedly as Super Saiyan Blue despite knowing they are easily capable of vastly more without issue meaning that the Gammas aren't actually on par with Goku and Vegeta despite saying they are. So it's just bad w...

1) You would think Piccolo would have better sensing capabilities since he was a god but I guess he was having an off day. 2) It just gave me the impression the Trio de Danger where the strongest since they are on the front of the team when they group together. I guess it's not as clear cut in the ...

So when Piccolo says the Gammas are on par with Goku and Vegeta, what does that mean specifically? That’s an interesting question, because Piccolo doesn’t know what happened on Planet Cereal, but should be basing his deduction on what he saw in the battle against Moro. It’s a bit difficult to tell ...

1) Nah, 1.1x is the perfect spot. It's not that close since Vegeta noticed the difference right away. 2) I'm not sure if Bergamo is that universe's strongest. That big guy and the green fishface were giving Frost a lot of trouble and the whole Trio De Dangers decided to run away after seeing him be...

Vegeta had been using bursts of SSB (with aura) to fight Black, got oneshot as SSG, and tried SSB alone and got OS again. It had already been shown in the previous arc and at the early parts of this one just how problematic the form is on its own. SSB's actual potence was never used, that's why the...

I don't see how SSB and CSSB aren't different multipliers. Not only did Vegeta get one shotted immediately by Fused Zamasu but the latter is confirmed to have a big fusion boost by official complementary material.

List in my signature is 100% finished, as far as the manga is concerned. Might do one for DBS Anime and maybe the old movies later. 1) Don't you think you have a big gap between SS2 Kid Gohan and SS2 Goku/Vegeta? Piccolo couldn't even tell if Vegeta had surpassed Gohan when he fights Boo so the gap...

Nothing about that means he doesn't have it. Jiren and Broly are simply stronger now. Hell, nothing in the Broly movie contradicts Broly > UI Goku. But outside of the manga, which Toriyama didn't even seem to have in mind, what even suggests he has it? He didn't have it in the last movie and he doe...

GreatSaiyaman123 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:11 pm

ZombieVito wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 5:38 pm Citation needed.

The line about him and Vegeta having to catch up to Broly and Jiren + Goku is afraid of fighting Broly all out.

Nothing about that means he doesn't have it. Jiren and Broly are simply stronger now.

Hell, nothing in the Broly movie contradicts Broly > UI Goku.