Kanzenshuu

Yes, I agree that fusion is exponential, but again this should be the best point of comparison we have between the fusees and the fusion. If Super Saiyan Gogeta > Super Saiyan Blue Goku in the Broly movie, how far back can we go until this stops being the case? Would SS Gogeta be stronger than Blue...

Once Baby possessed Vegeta, Vegeta’s Super Saiyan form hair changed to a different color, and judging by its introductory fight his battle power had largely increased, as not even SS3 Goku was a match for him. Maybe this is due to some particular trait of Vegeta, like his 100% Saiyan heritage, but ...

Once Baby possessed Vegeta, Vegeta’s Super Saiyan form hair changed to a different color, and judging by its introductory fight his battle power had largely increased, as not even SS3 Goku was a match for him. Maybe this is due to some particular trait of Vegeta, like his 100% Saiyan heritage, but a...

I think Ramoosh’s roar is a pretty clever way to convey the power hierarchy between the gods. Kaioshins faint, Gods of Destruction and the likes paralyze and Angels are unaffected. I think people read way too much into what form Goku is using since he and Toppo were obviously not using power compara...

I should say I'm enjoying what I'm seeing until now. It feels a little more fleshed out than in the movie. I was always curious about how Toyotaro would expand on Pan and Piccolo's interactions. My expectations aren't high either and I need some rest of the franchise, so I have no problem with it go...

Bandai wafer stickers just released another set. It has some interesting additions, like Cell Max and several Super Saiyan forms for comparisons. Apparently they have Cell Max, Super Saiyan Broly (not full power) and Beast Gohan in the same level. Beast Gohan with makankosappo has a higher number a...

Someone else may have noticed, but this last set nicely covers recent Toriyama’s tidbits about the strength of Cell Max and Orange Piccolo. Despite not including Goku and Vegeta from Super Hero and Broly movies, it includes SS Broly and SS Gogeta, and surprisingly or not they are implied to be stron...

Bandai wafer stickers just released another set. It has some interesting additions, like Cell Max and several Super Saiyan forms for comparisons. Apparently they have Cell Max, Super Saiyan Broly (not full power) and Beast Gohan in the same level. Beast Gohan with makankosappo has a higher number a...

Also, we know that in terms of the Buu arc, the gap between the first Buu and Buff Buu is significant, so the Daizenshuu seems to be the one dropping the ball. Toriyama was pretty clear about the power hierarchy and no magazine can dispute that. Not even the anime; one of its writers recently admit...

Also, we kinda have to come to terms with a brute fact at some point as a fandom when it comes to Beerus. As of right now, we have no idea where he stands outside of being superior to a blue evolution vegeta, that is stronger than an ultra instinct omen Goku, that is stronger than he was in the ToP...

I guess Beast Gohan and Black Freeza might have a shot against Beerus if they somehow work together. Though, if they don’t finish him quickly, Beerus would eventually turn the tables on them.

This question is being addressed, although indirectly, in this all-purpose strength discussion thread.

You may want to consider asking it there, because you probably will catch more attention.

I think, if we are counting on potential, we should definitely include Oob on those lists as well. Not only he has a lot of godly power in reserve, but he is foretold to be a formidable opponent for Goku. So, just in universe #7 we have 8 candidates (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, Granolah, Freeza, B...

How strong do you have Orange Piccolo in these tier lists? Toriyama said he has “ finally obtained battle power on par with Goku and Vegeta ”. Isn’t this supposed to mean Piccolo rivals Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego? Wouldn’t that make him at least a contender to the strongest? Or was Toriyama not co...

Considering Toriyama came out himself and said Broly would get mopped by a completed Cell Max, he is not a benchmark. Revealing that he isn't afraid to pack up the car and drive off without him. Toyotaro explicitly did this in the manga [Freeza is the strongest]. Heck Gohan is the current strongest...

As I said before on the Re-Read thread, I find this rule to be confusing. Are Goku and Vegeta not on the level of the gods? Even as SSJBs they were compared to gods, and in their Ultra forms they’re outright stronger than Jiren, a UI-level opponent. Is Granolah not stronger than any Kaioshin or Kai...

Rafa Fast wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:22 pm But what you exactly you meant with "Toriyama and Toyotaro think differently"?

Different power hierarchy on god level characters.

Movie - Jiren/Broly > Gods of Destruction > Goku/Vegeta/Freeza

Manga - Beerus > Freeza > Goku/Vegeta/Granolah > Jiren/Broly

The form's design throws a nod to SS2 Kid Gohan, but it doesn't stop there. Based on what we know so far, the form is related to Gohan's emotional bursts of power from when he was a kid, those ones that happened before SS was a thing for him. I think the more likely explanation is that the form der...

How strong did Goku, Vegeta and everyone else get after training for 2 months in the GPP Saga? How do they compare to their ToP selves and other ToP fighters? Goku and Vegeta would probably beat Jiren. Gohan can beat Kefla, and probably Toppo, Hit and Golden Freeza. It's difficult to tell how far P...

Dragon Ball's final chapter is a headache to powerlevel enthusiasts, lol. I think at this point Toriyama is not caring if what he is writing today perfectly aligns with everything he wrote on the past, unless he is having fun with it.