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by Hugo Boss
Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:43 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39838
Views: 3837935

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Toriyama’s comment is only concerned about who is the character he finds the most cool. The “strongest” part of the line is a editor’s note with inner thoughts about Toriyama’s answer to the question. He does that in other instances, like with Kame Sen’nin.
by Hugo Boss
Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:25 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Gotenks(Post-Rosat)>>Goku and Vegeta
Replies: 32
Views: 1404

Re: Gotenks(Post-Rosat)>>Goku and Vegeta

We don't even see ss3 gotenks and gohans fight with beerus in the manga. In the anime and movie, which I don't care about, they've already slacked, gohans on his way down to his rof power and don't seem to be ultimate, and are not using ss3. Actually, there is nothing in the movie, nor in its anime...
by Hugo Boss
Thu Mar 28, 2024 11:35 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Gotenks(Post-Rosat)>>Goku and Vegeta
Replies: 32
Views: 1404

Re: Gotenks(Post-Rosat)>>Goku and Vegeta

Most of Boo arc has similar dynamic, when characters assume someone is impressive and it turning up differently, even the most reliable ones like Piccolo, Vegeta etc. Same way in the opposite. This is usually overlooked when people crop panels instead of reading the content in its whole. Interestin...
by Hugo Boss
Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:02 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39838
Views: 3837935

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Based purely on what chapter #103 conveys, Goku and Gohan are pretty much rivals when they fight at full strength, being advertised as the strongest vs. strongest, so it’s not really surprising their match ended undecided. Having said that, Gohan fought Broly and Vegeta after consuming some stamina,...
by Hugo Boss
Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:23 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Legendary Super Saiyan is weaker than a Super Saiyan 2?
Replies: 6
Views: 177

Re: Legendary Super Saiyan is weaker than a Super Saiyan 2?

The mini-guide in question only establishes where there is a branch in the Saiyan evolution line without particularly suggesting a powerscalling comparison between them.
by Hugo Boss
Fri Mar 22, 2024 4:15 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39838
Views: 3837935

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Toriyama never said a form so that makes it a general power statement which means it's Goku at his max. It doesn't make sense otherwise. I’m not suggesting otherwise… It’s only that it obviously doesn’t carry on forever, since ranks are always changing. By the way, Goku being interested in fighting...
by Hugo Boss
Fri Mar 22, 2024 3:00 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39838
Views: 3837935

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Toriyama didn’t exactly frame which version and from which story arc he thinks Orange Piccolo rivals Goku. He just speaks broadly about Goku and co . For context, this information came in June 2022 , same month that chapter #85 was released, when Goku figured out UI Sign was the best form when his h...
by Hugo Boss
Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:34 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39838
Views: 3837935

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Well, considering how his fight against Gohan played out, I think it’s unlikely that Piccolo would rival Goku anyway. This only reinforces that Toriyama was talking about a version of Goku from the past. His best showing before fighting Gohan was against Gas, and right before the Super Hero chapter...
by Hugo Boss
Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:51 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39838
Views: 3837935

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

That would depend on which version of Goku that Toriyama was talking about. Probably not the Goku that we saw on chapters #102 and #103. Maybe the UI Sign version from his fight against Gas? That doesn't work. If Piccolo is as strong as UI Sign then he really doesn't rival Goku. Well, considering h...
by Hugo Boss
Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:14 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39838
Views: 3837935

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

ZombieVito wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:08 pm If Piccolo is as strong as UI Sign or Evolution then he doesn't rival Goku like Toriyama said.
That would depend on which version of Goku that Toriyama was talking about. Probably not the Goku that we saw on chapters #102 and #103. Maybe the UI Sign version from his fight against Gas?
by Hugo Boss
Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:04 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 103 - Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 110
Views: 8182

Re: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 103 - Official Discussion Thread

I don’t think that was intended though. It’s just Goku forgetting who is Pan, as he had to be reminded (:facepalm:). I can understand the reason behind it, since Goku has that character, I only wouldn’t imagine to such extent, granted he fixes that afterwards, and I had a feeling Toriyama was respon...
by Hugo Boss
Wed Mar 20, 2024 2:48 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 103 - Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 110
Views: 8182

Re: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 103 - Official Discussion Thread

Despite some loose ends, I think this chapter gave a decent closure to the Super Hero theme, presenting a good amount of potential super heroes that could rival the gods (nice observation, Beerus-sama). There was a clear build-up for Broly, and, as predicted, not that Goku and Vegeta were unfit for ...
by Hugo Boss
Mon Mar 18, 2024 9:28 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Gotenks(Post-Rosat)>>Goku and Vegeta
Replies: 32
Views: 1404

Re: Gotenks(Post-Rosat)>>Goku and Vegeta

Goku doesn’t say ”they can beat him” and then turn around and say he’s unsure. That’s not what was happening. He said, once the boys master fusion there’s no way they can lose. He never went back on his statement that SSJ Gotenks would be enough. The anime spun it a little and Piccolo implies that ...
by Hugo Boss
Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:12 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Gotenks(Post-Rosat)>>Goku and Vegeta
Replies: 32
Views: 1404

Re: Gotenks(Post-Rosat)>>Goku and Vegeta

The two days of training were not even supposed to be used to get stronger, Goku was only referring to perfecting the technique. Anyway, Goku was guessing how strong they would get when fusing, but he didn’t have background knowledge to state anything concrete. Most of Boo arc has similar dynamic, w...
by Hugo Boss
Mon Mar 18, 2024 6:33 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Gotenks(Post-Rosat)>>Goku and Vegeta
Replies: 32
Views: 1404

Re: Gotenks(Post-Rosat)>>Goku and Vegeta

So worst case, SSJ Gotenks was stronger than Fat boo after ROSAT training but it didn’t matter by that time because Super Boo was already born. Unlikely. There is nothing suggesting SS Gotenks was enough for the task, specially when he needed SS3 to start fighting Super Boo on equal terms. Pretty s...
by Hugo Boss
Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:06 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Gotenks(Post-Rosat)>>Goku and Vegeta
Replies: 32
Views: 1404

Re: Gotenks(Post-Rosat)>>Goku and Vegeta

I don’t see why the entry can’t refer to Base Gotenks. Goku already established that SSJ Gotenks after the 2 days of training would be sufficient to defeating Fat Boo and no indication that Goku wasn’t accurate. SSJ Gotenks was in the ballpark of SSJ3 tier. Because it’s part of a character profile ...
by Hugo Boss
Sat Mar 16, 2024 12:38 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39838
Views: 3837935

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Not to mention chapter #103 wasn’t even released yet, so it’s very difficult to have a clear assessment without full context. Anyway, Toriyama had conflicting opinions on how strong Beerus was all the way from Battle of Gods until Super Hero. 2013: 1,66x SSG Goku 2015: 2x SSB Goku 2017: a hair behin...
by Hugo Boss
Fri Mar 15, 2024 5:13 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 103 - Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 110
Views: 8182

Re: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 103 - Official Discussion Thread

Let’s not forget the drafts only showed a portion of the fight and could be deceiving. The outcome of the match is not defined.

My gut is telling me we will see something similar (or slightly different) from when Goku fought Roshi in the 21th martial arts tournament.
by Hugo Boss
Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:59 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39838
Views: 3837935

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Also, when Vegeta was fighting Granolah as well. The destructive sphere even makes a huge explosion when Granolah pushes it back to Vegeta.
by Hugo Boss
Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:29 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39838
Views: 3837935

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

While I’m not entirely convinced (movie) Beerus was only quite as strong as Goku and Vegeta fighting as a team, more like close to Broly at full power, I can see why Gohan and Cell Max would be up there with this reasoning, but why Piccolo? Is he that much stronger than Goku and Vegeta even fighting...