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by Dragon Wukong
Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:30 am
Forum: Video Games
Topic: "Dragon Ball XENOVERSE 2" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 14586
Views: 1096404

Re: "Dragon Ball XENOVERSE 2" Official Discussion Thread

I really wish they would just give us the damn release dates for this DLC. Waited months assuming it'd come out this month.

"Nah here's a fat Gogeta pet you can get when it does come out though."

I'm going to be pissed if they keep dragging this out and it isn't out next month.
by Dragon Wukong
Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:21 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32295
Views: 1810713

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

The exact quotes being "perhaps I was too cautious" and "If this is truly the extent of your power... then I will not fall to you" according to cook's translation. At least to me, the implication seems to be that Goku just wasn't strong enough to actually land a decisive blow and finish Moro off. I...
by Dragon Wukong
Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:56 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32295
Views: 1810713

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

It's the hope that people understand, Dragonball is a story first. "Feats" are ever rarely used to power scale. It's the same in this instance. My friend, I don't mean to dismiss your arguments. I acknowledge that Goku pushed back Moro more than Vegeta. However, the narration still dictates that do...
by Dragon Wukong
Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:21 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32295
Views: 1810713

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

That was stated after it was already revealed that Goku was at his limit due to Moro. Goku using raw power instead of UI's to it's utmost is his undisciplined emotions. Ok? Either way Goku's attacks started being less effective against Moro. Goku was still originally able to damage him and push him...
by Dragon Wukong
Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:53 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32295
Views: 1810713

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

17 beat up 7-3 (Moro), he was fighting Moro's real power not just his techniques, it depends on how strong Moro was when he let 7-3 grab him, I guess it happened sometime during those two months before the final invasion, because 7-3 should've ran out of Moro's juice. So 17 has to be at least stron...
by Dragon Wukong
Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:24 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32295
Views: 1810713

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

The dialogue stated through Moro that Goku reached his limit. Merus pointing out the fact that Goku can't make the most out of UI with sheer power has nothing to do with the fact that he was at his limit. You are again trying to conflate separate issues. They aren't separate issues, they're entirel...
by Dragon Wukong
Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:05 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32295
Views: 1810713

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

That wasn't the point and you know it. The fact is, Goku maxing out UI to it's limit couldn't damage Moro. I merely pointed out we see some elements of Blue in his aura. This was after Moro stated Goku reached his limit. The entire convo between Goku and Piccolo concluded with Goku saying he needs ...
by Dragon Wukong
Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:36 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32295
Views: 1810713

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

1. Your image shows Merus talking about Goku relying on pure strength when he was reverting to Blue . That's when he reached his limit trying to damage Moro in UI and failed. Not when he was in UI . You completely mixed up Merus's statement. 2. It's just a reality that people's bias get in the way ...
by Dragon Wukong
Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:11 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32295
Views: 1810713

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

<snip> Just to note, you can crop a lot of things or simply describe the points you wanna point out instead of effectively dumping a whole chapter in the thread. I've already read and re-read chapters 59-61 about 10 times over the past 48 hours while justifying my arguments, and they're all free on...
by Dragon Wukong
Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:35 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32295
Views: 1810713

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Except in Goku and Piccolo's conversation, Vegeta's power and tech is praised by Goku. The strength comparison is right there. As far strength goes, the only thing Goku says is "I didn't expect him to learn that move or get this strong" before Piccolo segues into the conversation about Vegeta's gro...
by Dragon Wukong
Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:25 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32295
Views: 1810713

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

It can't be read that way at all. Goku made a blatant comparison to Vegeta. Not in the way ; or how Vegeta dealt with Moro. You are trying to push a certain interpretation into the story that isn't there. Surpass means Vegeta in totality. Since Goku isn't going to go train afterwards and figure out...
by Dragon Wukong
Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:37 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32295
Views: 1810713

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

If "surpass" wasn't referring to literal strength that specification would of been made known. You may feel that's the case, but I personally feel, based off all the other given evidence, that that's up for debate. This wasn't the case between Goku and Vegeta's comparison. But the whole conversatio...
by Dragon Wukong
Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:32 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32295
Views: 1810713

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

The story didn't say Vegeta did better against Moro than Goku. Both were stated to be unable to "match/contend" with Moro physically. This in no way changes the fact that the story said Goku needs to surpass Vegeta. No, but the story showing and saying that Goku managed to beat back Moro at his ful...
by Dragon Wukong
Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:34 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 33979
Views: 2595714

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Thankfully, Goku has main character power. I don't think that'll protect him from having his heart ripped to pieces. It wasn't a small attack, he literally put his arm through his entire chest, the chances of him not getting his heart are slim to none. Well he did nab the right side of his chest, n...
by Dragon Wukong
Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:16 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: So is this whole Moro arc basically the, "Garlic Jr. saga" of Super?
Replies: 48
Views: 1609

Re: So is this whole Moro arc basically the, "Garlic Jr. saga" of Super?

Given the most recent development (seemingly,) I feel like we can firmly toss out the idea of this arc as "filler."
by Dragon Wukong
Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:15 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 33979
Views: 2595714

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

God. I love that page.

Lord these next two days can't pass by quick enough.
by Dragon Wukong
Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:51 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32295
Views: 1810713

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

People are definitely reading too deeply into that "finest meal" line. It's very reaching to me to even view it as a direct comparison with Goku honestly. If Moro didn't eat Goku then saying "you'll make my finest meal yet" is just as much a statement that Vegeta is stronger than Merus as it is a st...
by Dragon Wukong
Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:15 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32295
Views: 1810713

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

It’s not even about liking Vegeta or not. It’s only about reading what the characters say. Really. Maybe you can doubt Moro’s statement, since he is no god, but I don’t think you are in good faith when you say he has to absorb someone’s energy to tell how powerful someone is. It’s like saying Krill...
by Dragon Wukong
Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:40 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32295
Views: 1810713

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

People seem to be really trying to downplay the fact Goku inflicted damage on Moro (to the point he was bleeding in the face.) As well as downplaying the fact that earlier in the chapter they both went full power and Goku's aura won out. (And Gohan being hopeful in his reaction to that spectacle tha...
by Dragon Wukong
Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:16 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Toriyama's Dragon Ball Super ideas
Replies: 53
Views: 1445

Re: Toriyama's Dragon Ball Super ideas

I heard something about that years ago, something about Toei confusing Black's new form with just a regular Super Saiyan because Toriyama's notes were very vague to say the least. "It is said that Saiyans can gain control of 'god-like power without changing form. But if those god-like Saiyans chang...