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by Dragon Wukong
Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:01 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Didn't Gohan and Piccolo also say there was no change in Vegeta's power right before the fight started? They said they don't know what's different before Vegeta attacks. Which isn't a comment on if he got stronger or not, because it's been noted several times in this arc that they can't sense godly...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:54 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32289
Views: 1807321

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Hugo Boss wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:40 pm
I thought that you guys would simply understand how Toyotaro spells “you are the most powerful opponent I’ve encountered so far” in Moro’s language. But I see that’s a futile effort. I won’t try anymore.
Or it's just Toyotaro's way of saying he's stronger than anyone else Moro has eaten so far.
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:30 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32289
Views: 1807321

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Since this is the explanation you came up, which blow Moro thought was stronger? Moro never compares the Goku and Vegeta. He says Goku wasn't someone to worry about in the end once Goku starts losing strength, but you also have Moro being pushed back by the sheer force of Goku's aura when they clas...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:56 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32289
Views: 1807321

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It's most likely he ascertain's the strength of Goku and Vegeta via the force of their blows, rather than energy sensing. Since this is the explanation you came up, which blow Moro thought was stronger? Moro never compares the Goku and Vegeta. He says Goku wasn't someone to worry about in the end o...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:46 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32289
Views: 1807321

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Why this justification only applies to Goku? He doesn’t absorb Vegeta’s energy as well. Are you implying Moro can’t sense powerlevels? What? Are you suggesting that if it were the other way around, that if Moro said "this will be my finest meal yet" to Goku, that somehow means Goku is stronger than...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:38 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32289
Views: 1807321

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The way I see it it's just pointless to tout "Vegeta is stronger" as an outright fact when we have those comments from Gohan and 18, when Goku was also able to push back a full power Moro in an aura clash. I won't even say "Goku is stronger" is an outright fact at this point in the story. But it's d...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:29 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32289
Views: 1807321

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Moro failed to absorb Goku’s energy because he was using a level of power that Goku could react to. After he increases his power, Goku is easily caught. There is no reason to assume that he would fail no matter what he did. And he didn’t need to absorb Goku and Vegeta’s energy to remark their power...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:21 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32289
Views: 1807321

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You seem to be getting the wrong idea. Moro never implies he can’t eat Goku’s energy or that he is excluding Goku’s energy from his observation. He even spells out to us that he approached Goku too cautiously (the point in which us should realize Moro was still not fighting seriously, despite all t...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:07 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32289
Views: 1807321

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You are talking like Moro can’t just eat Goku’s energy, which is quite odd, since he can even grab Goku, let alone steal his energy. It’s implied that Moro doesn’t use his full power against Goku when he discredits Goku’s full powered blows. Moro explains in that chapter that he doesn't absorb ener...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:53 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32289
Views: 1807321

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I honestly don’t understand the difficulty in realizing that Vegeta surpassed Goku in sheer power right now.. It may be debatable that Goku is faster than him, that he moves better or something like that, but the point is really what the characters are saying, not what they can be saying. “Finest m...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:25 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32289
Views: 1807321

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

A simple story like Dragonball isn't trying to trick the audience. It's purpose is to keep it understandable. It only gets complicated when fans try to give interpretations of what a statement meant. Or undermine dialogue with images. Bottom line: Goku said he needs to surpass Vegeta. But the dialo...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:50 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32289
Views: 1807321

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Their are times when Moro barely got his head snapped back from Omen Goku, and even then when both of them got hit, Vegeta reacted far better as shown in the manga scans above. Logically everyone should've surpassed Beerus a long time ago, but seeing how he is a moving goal post, I need to see what...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:32 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32289
Views: 1807321

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

<snip> Let me clarify, all Vegeta did to a full power Moro was make him slide back a bit with a full power punch as a direct hit. Moro also never felt the need to retreat from any of Vegeta's moves until he learned of the technique. But even disregarding that, saying Vegeta was stronger than Goku s...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:24 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32289
Views: 1807321

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<snip> Yet, Vegeta didn't push a full power Moro back. Goku did. Mind you, that image of Moro tossing Goku around happens as Goku's power begins failing him. And to say Vegeta was stronger against Moro's full strength still requires ignoring 18's and Gohan's comments on their fight intially. As far...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:38 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32289
Views: 1807321

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Look at it like this, did Trunks with Grade 3 really surpass Grade 2 Vegeta? Basically this. A simple story like Dragonball isn't trying to trick the audience. It's purpose is to keep it understandable. It only gets complicated when fans try to give interpretations of what a statement meant. Or und...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:52 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32289
Views: 1807321

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Neither Goku nor Vegeta were able to inflict any damage to Moro at full power... Moro actually discredited Goku’s attacks, while concluding he dragged that fight unnecessarily, since Goku was no real threat to him using only Sign. And he could devour his energy whenever he wanted, he even grabbed G...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:34 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32289
Views: 1807321

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See I get what the issue is. A single statement. Moro saying that Vegeta will be his finest meal. But that's where you can argue that Headcanon comes into mix. Does he actually mean that Vegeta has the energy, superior to Goku, to be his finest meal in quantity, or is it due to Moro building up an ...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:05 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32289
Views: 1807321

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I don’t understand why you still insist that Vegeta isn’t stronger than Goku or that Vegeta’s technique works on either Beerus or Goku. Toyotaro made very clear by almost the entire cast spelling out to us why Vegeta is stronger than Goku and how extensive his technique is (fusions/absorptions). Fo...
by Dragon Wukong
Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:27 pm
Forum: Video Games
Topic: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 15400
Views: 1580591

Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

That’s because the Broly movie used a darker shade of blue compared to the series and even Resurrection ‘F’. Like both Goku and Vegeta have the same shade of blue. That was the case initially, but it's been extended into Xenoverse/FighterZ/Heroes to Gogeta Blue just having a naturally darker shade ...
by Dragon Wukong
Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:28 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32289
Views: 1807321

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If Goku rivals Beerus right now, Vegeta is stronger than them, which doesn’t line up well with what the Oracle Fish said. It implies that at some point in the future those 3 will be equally matched. Vegeta (most likely anyhow) isn't stronger than Goku, but his technique very likely would let him me...