Kanzenshuu

Super Vegetto wrote: There is no discussion about Namekians vs Saiyans. Story puts Saiyans as strongest warrior race in universe.

The story also puts Vegeta as the strongest in the universe while he is working for Mewtwo.

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It's not canon to the manga, but it can be view canon to the anime. BOG is listed down in the anime timeline, so BOG did happen in GT. The movie did cause some major plot holes in order for BOG to happen in GT since Gohan can go Mystic in the film when he can't in GT. I know someone will say "Maybe...

What really limits them is the lack of transformations. That's the Saiyans' main ace in the hole. Okay, but - again hypethetically so we ignore the lack of people remaining - Namekians can easily fuse with other Namekians (Warriors normally only with Warriors I guess except the Super Namekian one) ...

Goku had training that the average Saiyan could never have ... Yeah - you are right about that. But that's exactly what I mean. Under fair conditions - so everyone having the same possibilities to train, how strong the two races could actually get. And we know Dragon Balll always is about going eve...

I see your point but that at least makes them comparable to the low-class Saiyajins - if not better - and those were most of the Saiyajins. The thing I see with Vegeta and Nail is, while you say, they are freaks, there could always be the possibility to grow stronger. I mean, Goku - okay, he was the...

That was just easily misunderstandable but it was meant to differentiate them, as I mentioned "Warrior types" and "all kind of other abilities" which included the wizards. I just mean Namekians in general when they are very strong, so those who can actually fight, the warrior types. And apparently P...

As Vegeta was not very surprised that Radditz lost against Piccolo and we know Namekians have very strong warrior types and all kind of other abilities but we have the main Saiyajins with their incredible strength and their power to become stronger after almost dying, I would like to know from you w...

Tenshinhan was never mentioned as being the descendant of aliens in the manga, yet most people accept that. Wait, he is? I thought he is a "normal" human being. Where was that mentioned? One of the Daizenshuu. It lists him as being a descendant of the Three-Eyed Tribe of aliens, or something to tha...

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Tenshinhan was never mentioned as being the descendant of aliens in the manga, yet most people accept that.

Wait, he is? I thought he is a "normal" human being. Where was that mentioned?

Maybe it would fit Bardock or Radditz.

You're still not making sense, or you're not understanding me. ... Furthermore, Gohan's 'ultimate form' is no strain, or very little strain, on the body. The argument regarding Super Saiyans fusing using the earrings doesn't apply. That's the whole entire point of the form - to be as efficient and ...

There is no official canonicity and Akira Toriyama does not care about the existence of canonicity. "Canonical" and "Not-canonical" are states that are normally declared which does not happen here (only really a few usable statements for the movies can be taken, for example). Studio Toei also does n...

I am pretty sure it is not supposed to be a new Super Saiyajin 4 or it would have just been called Super Saiyajin 4 since those levels are how the normal forms are called and I am sure the normal SSJ4 shall not be ignored.

And it's never said that Gohan's Ultimate Form isn't useful for fusion. That's never mentioned anywhere. Even though I already have explained it you didn't seem to understand that. I'll try it again a bit more clear. Goku and Gohan were already able to use their SSJ1 powers easily still they were n...

No, they are not the same being. They have the same soul (as in "base of a being" whch gives him Kami's link as well) but they are not the same person. Piccolo Junior has his very own and new consciousness making him not the same guy the first king Piccolo was. He is a bit of a rebirth because he wa...

I love GT but also could have watched Pan getting SSJ. However, it is not that necessary.

Sidestory or spin-off does not mean not-canonical so that really means nothing for that topic.

It is just a plothole. Just like Saiyajin Saga Goku is over 20000 km/h fast and Boo Saga Gohan only 3000 km/h. And it was 10 tons for every arm and leg, so 40 together. Also, the gravity there does not matter. If they say 40 tons already then it is 40 tons on that planet, even if heavier or lighter ...