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by theherodjl
Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:38 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Toriyama's Statement On the SSJ Multiplier.
Replies: 52
Views: 2611

Re: Toriyama's Statement On the SSJ Multiplier.

If Freeza says he's at "100% full power" with no added clarification or stipulation, then I don't think there's any reason to believe he's not at full power, since even when he was fighting and injured he still had massive reserves he wasn't using yet. Likewise, by becoming a Super Saiyan through r...
by theherodjl
Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:12 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Toriyama's Statement On the SSJ Multiplier.
Replies: 52
Views: 2611

Re: Toriyama's Statement On the SSJ Multiplier.

It possibly couldn't be, Toriyama's statement can be construed as being genuinely closer to 10x than 50x after all in the sense that maybe it was more along the lines of 11x through 29x at most which works for me. How would this work? Kaio-ken x20 Goku was at most as strong as 50% Freeza. Since 100...
by theherodjl
Sat Nov 14, 2015 8:39 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: East Kaioshin's strength
Replies: 32
Views: 1531

Re: East Kaioshin's strength

I have Kaioshin at the low tier of SSJ2, considering he was strong enough to completely paralysis SSJ2 Teen Gohan and survived a severe beating from Majin Boo (pre-split) and still had enough energy to completely disperse an attack that had nearly killed FPSSJ Teen Gohan from Majin Boo. That may ju...
by theherodjl
Sat Nov 14, 2015 8:34 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Toriyama's Statement On the SSJ Multiplier.
Replies: 52
Views: 2611

Re: Toriyama's Statement On the SSJ Multiplier.

Toriyama made this statement 18 years after Goku became a Super Saiyan. Toriyama's manga is very consistent when it comes to battle powers (not talking about the numbers, but power differences in general), so I find it hard to believe that he wasn't paying attention to Kaio-ken. So personally, I be...
by theherodjl
Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:38 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: East Kaioshin's strength
Replies: 32
Views: 1531

Re: East Kaioshin's strength

Kaioshin is probably around Cell Games Trunks or Vegeta, if he is any higher than that then it's not by a significant amount.
by theherodjl
Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:55 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Toriyama's Statement On the SSJ Multiplier.
Replies: 52
Views: 2611

Re: Toriyama's Statement On the SSJ Multiplier.

If I recall he stated that he personally thought SSJ was more along the lines of a 10x increase from his base rather than a 50x increase, though it this were true then that means Goku was only as powerful as his Kaio-ken x10 self against Freeza which wouldn't of done anything according to the numbe...
by theherodjl
Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:35 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Toriyama's Statement On the SSJ Multiplier.
Replies: 52
Views: 2611

Toriyama's Statement On the SSJ Multiplier.

If I recall he stated that he personally thought SSJ was more along the lines of a 10x increase from his base rather than a 50x increase, though it this were true then that means Goku was only as powerful as his Kaio-ken x10 self against Freeza which wouldn't of done anything according to the number...
by theherodjl
Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:39 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: So About 'Majuub'...?
Replies: 10
Views: 833

Re: So About 'Majuub'...?

It's just an opinion too that Super 17 was superior to Goku prior to absorbing his Ki attacks, when SSJ Goku got serious he punched 17 halfway across the planet. He was not punching super 17 halfway across the planet. It's quite short distance and many fights did farther. The only fact 1. he state ...
by theherodjl
Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:13 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: So About 'Majuub'...?
Replies: 10
Views: 833

Re: So About 'Majuub'...?

It's just an opinion too that Super 17 was superior to Goku prior to absorbing his Ki attacks, when SSJ Goku got serious he punched 17 halfway across the planet.
by theherodjl
Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:06 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Would Humans ever reach the power of DBZ?
Replies: 5
Views: 683

Re: Would Humans ever reach the power of DBZ?

Possibly, but unlikely not because they don't have the potential but because human beings Ki doesn't rise nearly to the extent that the Saiyans does. Goku's power shot up from 416 to well into the millions in a little over a year while Krillin training for several years and having his potential powe...
by theherodjl
Sun Nov 08, 2015 10:57 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: So About 'Majuub'...?
Replies: 10
Views: 833

Re: So About 'Majuub'...?

More or less I picture Super Saiyan 3 Goku (with tail) as about equal to Super Baby Vegeta 2, at his strongest, but unable to sustain the form. There's a time-skip in-between the Baby and Super #17 sagas. Given that Majuub doesn't even faze a suppressed Super #17 and Super Saiyan Goku smacks the la...
by theherodjl
Sun Nov 08, 2015 5:31 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: So About 'Majuub'...?
Replies: 10
Views: 833

So About 'Majuub'...?

In GT he is seen being comparable to SSJ3 Kid Goku but then fails to even make a dent against Super 17 who is somewhere weaker than SSJ Kid Goku, is this just another GT inconsistency? Or was there something I missed?
by theherodjl
Sun Nov 08, 2015 5:17 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Toriyama is terrible at writing intelligent characters.
Replies: 17
Views: 3521

Re: Toriyama is terrible at writing intelligent characters.

Even the characters ostensibly touted as perspicacious or as possessing genius-level intellect. Let's take Dr. Gero for instance: -Inexplicably places himself into an android body inferior to that of his other creations. If I'm not mistaken, he is a megalomaniac, correct? His ultimate aim is to est...
by theherodjl
Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:56 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Can Ki Really Be Measured In Numbers?
Replies: 2
Views: 344

Can Ki Really Be Measured In Numbers?

A Farmer With A Shotgun has a BP of 5 according to a scouter but how does it determine that the amount of battle power from said human will be 5? Do scouters perceive a Ki and quickly calculate them to the nearest whole number after finding an average or "X" by what the machines presume to be the cu...
by theherodjl
Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:42 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: How Much Power Did Vegeta Lose In The Saiyan Arc?
Replies: 6
Views: 672

How Much Power Did Vegeta Lose In The Saiyan Arc?

When Vegeta shot up to his full BP of 18,000 against Goku and then took various forms of damage after being hit by the KKx3 as well as generating a mini-blutz moon, how much power did he drop? Also after taking some damage while in Oozaru and getting his tail cut off, where did Vegeta stand then? Fo...
by theherodjl
Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:50 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Why Would Beerus Be Surprised That Someone Defeated Freeza?
Replies: 7
Views: 2140

Why Would Beerus Be Surprised That Someone Defeated Freeza?

Whis has the ability to look for anyone or anything in the universe with his staff and gain information on them, Beerus probably relies on this due to being somewhat informed about the planets or stars he visits and destroy. However, is Beerus really so uninformed about other beings in the universe ...
by theherodjl
Thu Sep 17, 2015 2:40 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Physical Strength In DB
Replies: 16
Views: 1482

Re: Physical Strength In DB

Did I deny that? No, but it seems odd to call our specific fandom out on it, as if it's something we're known for doing above any other "power fantasy" genre. He didn't, you're stating that. The fact is that this low-end feat is pretty quick to be dismissed because of unproven statements supposedly...
by theherodjl
Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:37 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Physical Strength In DB
Replies: 16
Views: 1482

Re: Physical Strength In DB

Goku and Beerus in the DBS manga chapter 4 threatened to destroy the entire universe with just thier physical blows At this point I could care less about how much they lift Did they really? Because I know that Beerus is at least a star buster with his massive Ki blasts but possessing physical blows...
by theherodjl
Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:27 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Physical Strength In DB
Replies: 16
Views: 1482

Re: Physical Strength In DB

Goku and Beerus in the DBS manga chapter 4 threatened to destroy the entire universe with just thier physical blows At this point I could care less about how much they lift Did they really? Because I know that Beerus is at least a star buster with his massive Ki blasts but possessing physical blows...
by theherodjl
Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:12 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Physical Strength In DB
Replies: 16
Views: 1482

Physical Strength In DB

Yeah, Goku struggled to lift 40 tons in base despite the fact that when he was a kid he could push a boulder that weighed a great deal more than 40 tons but is it necessarily an inconsistency? We know that whenever Goku, Vegeta, or even Yamcha(in filler scenes) wanted to boost their battle powers th...