Kanzenshuu

He is a jerk I agree but he's better than the Olympian gods. Nah, DB's hierarchy is very much in the same vein as many other pantheons in terms of attitude. The Kaioshin suffer from ignorance, the Hakaishin suffer from lethargy, and the Angels & Zeno suffer from apathy. DB's Gods are dumb, lazy, an...

Jiren was weakened. You can’t have a good grasp of his power in that state. It doesn’t matter if Base Saiyans managed to survive his assault, Jiren is above SSBlue level in his peak condition. Only Goku Black has a strong base form. And the Saiyans were weakened too. Jiren managed to momentarily ra...

SSJgogeto wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:19 pm

Unless Jiren was holding back.

Jiren was giving it his all. If his objective was to deliberately struggle against Boo arc Base Saiyans then Jiren would use 0.00000001% of his power but I seriously doubt he's one to be dramatic enough to do so.

Hulk10 wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:59 pm

I interpret Toriyama's statement as being that Saiyans will eat anything edible, regardless of whether or not they like it.

Isn't that what he said in the first place?

IMO Goku and Vegeta in their base forms are more or less in the same level of theirselves in the end of Buu saga, so no. However, in another topic there's apparently evidence about Goku (manga) being more powerful than Shin, so who knows. ...and yet Base Goku managed to hold on against Jiren(a guy ...

TL;DR: - Even without the ability to freely alter your power level, some ki amplification should come naturally from big "ultimate attacks." - Nappa's power was probably gradually rising as he fought Goku, letting his ultimate attack almost match Goku. - Goku's Kaio-Ken and Kamehameha techniques fu...

No one can give you an accurate answer for this question, since base form doesn’t see relevance in the manga. So far, it seems Base Goku is weaker than Frost, so it depends on how strong do you think Frost is, which is also unclear. I'd like to point out that Base Goku & Vegeta in the manga were ma...

If Goku decided on his son from the future for the ROSAT, they'd probably have defeated Cell since Adult Gohan would have understood his role & training far better than his young counterpart and he already had a head start with knowing SSJ. Add in Future Gohan's matured body which would allow greate...

The Dragons are shapeshifters so whatever gender or form they appear as is simply what they've chosen to be. Its possible that the nature of the wishes the Dragons were born from influences their designs but since two Dragons are virtually identical despite being made from different wishes, this mig...

Old Broly was insane. DBS Broly isn't insane. He's still insane, its just that he's not naturally homicidal or omnicidal like his classic counterpart was. Modern Broly has all the issues of growing up isolated without knowing how to properly form relationships with others, having to do what his dad...

About Broly, I think what Koyama meant was that Broly, if not stopped by Goku, could have possibly grown as strong as he said. He was definitely not as strong as Koyama claimed him to be, in any movie. That is not fan belief, that was what was written, drawn and shown in the movies. A Cell arc batt...

In my opinion it is. Remember how Yamcha and others effortlessly beat Ginyu Force in DBZ? Or how Pikkon (SSJ Goku level at best) trashed Cell? It would seem that SSJ Goku is stronger or at least comparable to SSJ2 Gohan. And there are some major power level differences between anime & manga in DBS....

Copy-Vegeta arc was a filler and it has no place in manga, while Moro arc has (at least currently) no place in anime. If anime returns with Moro arc it might be different as well. I wouldn't consider all things from anime as facts when talking about manga, especially fillers. Also this is Super so ...

His claims are contradicted by feats of the characters and the sense of progression that is a feature in Dragon Ball (where the next villains are always stronger than the previous ones (with the exception being the Janemba-Hirudegarn case). So I really don't see the point in taking his claim and cr...

Even with Takao Koyama's "fanboyism", both Hirudegarn and Janemba are stronger than Broly, with the latter being the strongest of all movie villains (until being stupidly surpassed by Golden Freeza). Which begs me to question why you didn't mention both or either of them instead of Broly? Because T...

We know that Base Goku/Vegeta as of Planet Potaufeu are stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks which would put them at DBZ Ultimate Gohan-level(bare minimum) during that point...but have they since surpassed not only vast majority of the OG cast but of M12 Gogeta, Super Vegetto, and Classic Broly(if Takao Koyam...

Saiyans probably never practiced the act of marriage within their society, it would have served little purpose with hazardous battles always on the horizon and how the only degree of intimacy among Saiyans was to mate, sometimes for life as with Bardock & Gine. However, as shown with species on worl...

I see well I was hoping that there was more to this like how someone could have confused this as fact. As it's not the first time people have made claims Toriyama said x y or z but he never actually did or there is counter-evidence to it. Such as the reoccurring myth Toriyama brought Goku back afte...

As far as I know, the only thing about genes regarding Goku & Vegeta is that Goku was born a "low-class" while Vegeta was born a "super-elite". At no point has Goku, Vegeta, or any other Saiyan been lumped into a "pride" or "honor" classification in either the guides or by Toriyama/Toei. Sounds like...

An arm wrestling match is totally different from a real fight. So far, neither Goku nor Beerus have mastered Ultra Instinct, but it’s logical to assume Beerus is closer to that point than Goku is. So, considering everything that Goku managed in that state, it’s possible that Beerus can defeat Vermo...