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by theherodjl
Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:15 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Should Freeza have never been revived in Super?
Replies: 45
Views: 1306

Re: Should Freeza have never been revived in Super?

He definitely needed a comeback since Freeza was pretty much a joke the minute he got diced by Trunks. Freeza then made sporadic appearances in the anime & movies, most or even all of his scenes depicting him in a humorous light. ROF definitely returned Freeza to form as a genuine threat and it has ...
by theherodjl
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:52 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Theatrical battle between Golden Oozaru Goten and Great Saiyaman
Replies: 7
Views: 378

Re: Golden oozaru goten Vs Great saiyaman

Gohan would get wrecked if this was at the beginning of the Boo arc. Goten was already around the same tier of strength as Gohan at that point so Goten going Oozaru on top would probably be above even Vegeta in raw power. The Z Senshi would have to neutralize the tail or take out the moon to stop Go...
by theherodjl
Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:19 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?
Replies: 45
Views: 1426

Re: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?

This is probably just a narrative inconsistency, but the narrative sometimes portrayed Omen as not being that powerful. Only it just makes Goku's reactions and instincts far sharper. Kefla noted that Goku doesn't hit that hard while he was UIO. We can presume from this that she felt that he hit har...
by theherodjl
Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:13 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Asking Takao Koyama
Replies: 21
Views: 1042

Re: Asking Takao Koyama

But Hirudegarn is stronger than Janemba Not at all. Janemba defeated Super Saiyan 3 Goku, while Super Saiyan 3 Goku was able to defeat Hirudegarn in the end. That and other things. Such as Toei's old filmsite stating that Janemba was more powerful than Hirudegarn. The phantom majin Hildegarn is a f...
by theherodjl
Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:50 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What kind of a weirdo do you expect for a new boss?
Replies: 9
Views: 619

Re: What kind of a weirdo do you expect for a new boss?

Maybe a villain who develops an innocent obsession with a protagonist? Deliberately committing a few bad deeds to get the protagonist roused up enough to desire to fight because said-villain happens to find the company and any activities performed with the protagonist to be fun? Maybe Sun Wukong or ...
by theherodjl
Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:39 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?
Replies: 45
Views: 1426

Re: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?

I never liked the idea that UI is a huge boost in power, but rather absolutely perfect martial arts technique. This especially paired with the manga repeatedly letting Goku know powering up isn't the way to beat Jiren in ToP, as he simply can't reach Jiren's level in this situation. To me it makes ...
by theherodjl
Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:00 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Asking Takao Koyama
Replies: 21
Views: 1042

Re: Asking Takao Koyama

I'm sorry...but is this for real? Did someone here at Kanzenshuu actually visit Takao Koyama's social media account and message him into reiterating something that he stated in a prior interview? And then post it on the forum, calling him a "Broly fanboy" in an implied-mocking tone? This is the kind...
by theherodjl
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:34 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Roshi and Baba - the first sibling team of DB
Replies: 3
Views: 332

Re: Roshi and Baba - the first sibling team of DB

It's hard to believe Roshi and Baba are siblings, it's like it was written into the plot and then things just moved on from there. I'm pretty sure that at least 99.99% of DB's story is just written into the plot and that all things simply move on from there. Is Goku a monkey boy who is actually amo...
by theherodjl
Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:21 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: What is the main reason Vegeta's fans are furious with DBS Chapter 61?
Replies: 10
Views: 709

Re: What is the main reason Vegeta's fans are furious with DBS Chapter 61?

You're forgetting about Vegeta's second technique, his ability to defuse fused characters. And Moro still has his magic, a secret technique or two that he has yet to show off, and full access to 7-3's ability. Moro probably touched Vegeta's neck prior to curbstomping him to the ground so its really...
by theherodjl
Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:00 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: What is the main reason Vegeta's fans are furious with DBS Chapter 61?
Replies: 10
Views: 709

Re: What is the main reason Vegeta's fans are furious with DBS Chapter 61?

I'm disappointed that Vegeta's technique really didn't matter against Moro's copy & paste of his own power from 7-3. Its somewhat implied that Moro's power-up is now permanent and isn't reliant on the amount of life energy he had stolen before, meaning that Vegeta's technique will be useless in de-p...
by theherodjl
Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:39 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Do you think Final Form Hirudegarn is just around Mystic Gohan's raw power?
Replies: 2
Views: 317

Re: Do you think Final Form Hirudegarn is just around Mystic Gohan's raw power?

Hirudegarn's power appears to fluctuate randomly so he's not always at his best but if his defeat of Ultimate Gohan is anything to go by, a full power Hirudegarn is at least as powerful as Bootenks or maybe even Boohan.
by theherodjl
Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:32 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Vegito Mui would beat Whis.
Replies: 13
Views: 798

Re: Vegito Mui would beat Whis.

It depends on how much stronger Whis is than Beerus. If Whis is still only around the 50% difference from Beerus that Toriyama originally conceived of, SSJB Gogeta/Vegetto might even be enough to take on Whis in a matter of strength. However, if Whis is actually a massive degree of multiples stronge...
by theherodjl
Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:12 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Why was Broli's strongest form in DBS movie form called Full Power Super Saiyajin?
Replies: 40
Views: 1626

Re: Why was Broli's strongest form in DBS movie form called Full Power Super Saiyajin?

Gohan stopped Broly's momentum temporally when he flew at him and later 3 ssjs overpowered him. Gogeta is the strongest movie character before Beerus. Also it was stated in m11 Goku and Pikkon could handle Broly and Goku says Fat Janemba is the greatest ki he's ever sinced. Both Fat Buu and Broly w...
by theherodjl
Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:08 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Why was Broli's strongest form in DBS movie form called Full Power Super Saiyajin?
Replies: 40
Views: 1626

Re: Why was Broli's strongest form in DBS movie form called Full Power Super Saiyajin?

Unless the writers state the Z fighters were also stronger in the Broly films, Broly has limits. M10 who is stronger than M8 couldn't put down Ssj2 Gohan as easily as Far Buu put down Ssj2 Majin Vegeta. Broly has limits, make no mistake about that. Its just that in the Z movies, Broly was the stron...
by theherodjl
Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:37 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?
Replies: 45
Views: 1426

Re: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?

I can buy that. IIRC, Whis stated that SSJ Kefla was on par with the Genki Dama so even a suppressed Jiren is stronger than SSJ Kefla & SSJB Goku using Kaio-ken x20 combined. Goku would need to boost his strength by at least x100 to be able to push Jiren with UIO.
by theherodjl
Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:00 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?
Replies: 45
Views: 1426

Re: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?

That's why I'm asking for numbers. A x20 boost from SSJB is still too weak to affect a suppressed Jiren so what number could bridge that gap?
by theherodjl
Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:42 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?
Replies: 45
Views: 1426

Objectively, How Much Stronger Is UIO/MUI Than SSJB?

Goku multiplied SSJB's strength by twenty-fold with the Kaio-ken and even that didn't compare to UIO's first appearance, so just how much more powerful are the forms of UI above SSJB? Given that Jiren was channeling Namek Freeza's advantage over the Z Senshi at the time, should the first activation ...
by theherodjl
Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:01 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What I like about Ultra Instinct is that it has nothing to do with the SSJ God lineage of transformations
Replies: 25
Views: 998

Re: What I like about Ultra Instinct is that it has nothing to do with the SSJ God lineage of transformations

Roshi managed to briefly tap into UI despite having normal Ki so obviously UI doesn't require God Ki to actually use, it just helps to have had access to such incredible power as a guide to using another incredible power as UI. I imagine that Roshi could eventually use UI regularly too as he still h...
by theherodjl
Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:29 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Do you think SSJ Blue and Beyond should never have been introduced?
Replies: 39
Views: 1404

Re: Do you think SSJ Blue and Beyond should never have been introduced?

What I don't like is how Vegeta obtained SSJB as opposed to learning SSJG beforehand. He didn't. There is no Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan without first acquiring Super Saiyan God/God ki. When we first see Vegeta going Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, he obviously already had Super Saiyan God. I'd ra...
by theherodjl
Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:26 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is it logical to think that SSJ3 Gogeta would be around Buutenks' level?
Replies: 55
Views: 1449

Re: Is it logical to think that SSJ3 Gogeta would be around Buutenks' level?

But it might just be that, for whatever reason (perhaps them being rivals), a Goku and Vegeta fusion is just a completely ridiculous boost compared to any other fusion. I think that's the best explanation we're ever going to get regarding this. Pretty much. Goku & Vegeta merging has the greatest sy...