Kanzenshuu

I don't need to see it. It hit the point of diminishing marginal returns long before Super. I don't have to see it to see there's no friggin' original place to go with this. He either loses again, has a change of heart, or he gets what he wants. I don't see the third option happening in DB, and we ...

I don't need to see it. It hit the point of diminishing marginal returns long before Super. I don't have to see it to see there's no friggin' original place to go with this. He either loses again, has a change of heart, or he gets what he wants. I don't see the third option happening in DB, and we ...

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Forte224 wrote:

ABED wrote:It's not for the better.

You haven't even watched Super.

I saw RoF. Wasn't a fan.

Yet you didn't even watched super you didn't see champa arc,Goku black arc,and Universal survival arc where frieza returns. I bet you didn't even see the retaillings.

DB always moved on from villains. How did it lose that ability in the intervening years? Even taking GT out of the equation, Goku defeated Freeza on Namek, was killed by Trunks on Earth, was brought back only to be killed again for making the same mistake he made in the first fight against Goku, no...

I have a hard time understanding your sentences. Eh I am saying that Frieza can train now just like goku he is pretty much the bowser and eggman of the series at this point and the franchise can't move on form Frieza anymore. Also Frieza in filler and Gt were retconed out. you call him a not good a...

It's not my job to come up with new characters, I simply don't want them to keep trotting out the past. Vegeta and Piccolo became part of the team. If Freeza remains a villain, then he's lost his potency. It's over reliance on nostalgia Nah he is goku's archenemy at this point and your kinda bias o...

It's not my job to come up with new characters, I simply don't want them to keep trotting out the past. Vegeta and Piccolo became part of the team. If Freeza remains a villain, then he's lost his potency. It's over reliance on nostalgia Nah he is goku's archenemy at this point and your kinda bias o...

I wish they wouldn't keep bringing him back. He's been defeated and killed multiple times. As far as I can tell, there are two roads to go with him: 1) keep him a villain and have him lose again, which we've seen already, or 2) have him become a better person, which we've also seen several other ch...

I wish they wouldn't keep bringing him back. He's been defeated and killed multiple times. As far as I can tell, there are two roads to go with him: 1) keep him a villain and have him lose again, which we've seen already, or 2) have him become a better person, which we've also seen several other ch...

the Room of Spirit and Time Toriyama had already foreshadowed Cell well before the room of spirit and time. getting involved in the cosmic hierarchy with the Kaioshin stuff Kaio doesn't count? The Kaioshin are just higher on the ladder. Saying without Buu you wouldn't have the Buu arc is a tautolog...

ABED wrote:Buu is more important to the lore because he helped defeat another version of himself?

Well giving more character devlopment to hercule and help us gained fusions and super Saiyan 3

ABED wrote:You still haven't explained how Buu is more important to the mythos than Cell.

Because buu is satan's best friend and thanks to Satan they beat evil buu

Still doesn't prove that Buu is more important/connected to DB's lore/story/whatever you want to call it. Yet still cell is despite being made from his Dna he is still got more personal from his fight with Gohan from beating him not like with goku. Because Frieza is the only recurring villain in th...

Still doesn't prove that Buu is more important/connected to DB's lore/story/whatever you want to call it. Yet still cell is despite being made from his Dna he is still got more personal from his fight with Gohan from beating him not like with goku. Because Frieza is the only recurring villain in th...

Nah cell was made from the cells of goku ,vegeta,piccolo,and Frieza plus cell was pissed at Gohan for killing him and he never made things personal for goku. Right, the cells of Goku but not Gohan, so Goku is more connected in that way. At least in the manga and anime, Cell isn't specifically mad a...

Cell's connection was always to Goku. He was created largely to kill Goku. He sees Goku as the ultimate challenge. Gohan may be the one to kill him, but he seems little more than Goku's proxy in that final battle. And as others have pointed out, Cell has Goku's cells, not Gohan's. Yet but since gok...

Cell would be an excuse for Gohan to be relevant again. Gohan was relevant in the ToP. But I wonder if Cell coming back actually means Gohan would be fighting? Goku is much more related to Cell's creation and Gohan's victory was all thanks to Goku manipulating the situation so that Gohan could beat...

Okay, but the Kaioshin and Buu have no effect on the story until the very end. Cell has links to Goku's past. He was created to be the ultimate artificial human. That link puts him above Buu. Anyway, I'm ambivalent about Cell. THere are parts of him I find bland, but I also some of his tactics and ...

Still don't see how any of that proves that Cell isn't as important to the lore of DB as Buu. I'll give you Freeza, but at this point not Buu. Uub is only in Z at the very end and he doesn't do much in GT. Meanwhile, Cell has connections going back to Goku's early days and he was a significant big ...

MasenkoHA wrote:Because Buu was a fat infant and the dub made Freeza a transvestite.

Well Frieza's voiced change nowadays