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by szopman
Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:30 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Would Super Saiyan 4 change Trunks' hair color? Could Super Saiyan 3 have lead to Trunks winning against the duo of...
Replies: 5
Views: 862

Re: Would Super Saiyan 4 change Trunks' hair color? Could Super Saiyan 3 have lead to Trunks winning against the duo of.

1) I think that he would probably have purple hair in this state :) I'm wondering about the color of the tail :D 2) I don't think Trunks SSJ3 would be the match for both 17's. Especially that now we know that #17 is far stronger than SSJ3 power level. + Why would Trunks use SSJ3 if he can just maste...
by szopman
Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:25 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Does the Saiyan Beyond God exist?
Replies: 79
Views: 5777

Re: Does the Saiyan Beyond God exist?

So how would you called Gohan transforming grom SSJ2 into Ultimate?
by szopman
Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:07 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Does the Saiyan Beyond God exist?
Replies: 79
Views: 5777

Re: Does the Saiyan Beyond God exist?

Have you guys whatched last DBS episodes? Cause Gohan's Ultimate state was confirmed as a separate transformation. You may not like the series, you may refuse to calling it canon, but it's still an official source. Besides, I'd say that the movies are more "canon" than the series. Why? Because they...
by szopman
Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:54 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Does the Saiyan Beyond God exist?
Replies: 79
Views: 5777

Re: Does the Saiyan Beyond God exist?

Have you guys whatched last DBS episodes? Cause Gohan's Ultimate state was confirmed as a separate transformation. You may not like the series, you may refuse to calling it canon, but it's still an official source. Besides, I'd say that the movies are more "canon" than the series. Why? Because they ...
by szopman
Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:38 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Does the Saiyan Beyond God exist?
Replies: 79
Views: 5777

Re: Does the Saiyan Beyond God exist?

I don't think that the Base state and SbG is the same. I think it's siilar to Gohan's case, the base is just the base form, and Ultimate/SbG are separate forms. In Gohan's case here the chain of the transformations: Base -> SSJ1 -> SSJ2 -> Mystic. In Goku/Vegeta's case it would be something like th...
by szopman
Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:27 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Does the Saiyan Beyond God exist?
Replies: 79
Views: 5777

Re: Does the Saiyan Beyond God exist?

Besides, SbG is a state beyond most of the SS transformations, so it's obvious that they don't use it if it's not really necessary. Why would Goku for eg should use SbG state against some Botamo or Frost if all he needs is just SSJ1 ?? So you think the SSj god he used later against Hit is somehow d...
by szopman
Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:12 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Does the Saiyan Beyond God exist?
Replies: 79
Views: 5777

Re: Does the Saiyan Beyond God exist?

Toriyama also worked on the movies and now their rules don't apply to the manga or the anime. Toriyama's stance changed from "Goku and Vegeta aren't too far off from Beerus" to "They're gonna be shit tier to Beerus for a good long while" and the F manga was written with the former mindset. Saiyan B...
by szopman
Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:51 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Does the Saiyan Beyond God exist?
Replies: 79
Views: 5777

Re: Does the Saiyan Beyond God exist?

It's a Manga, but it's not DBS's Manga adaptation, with Toyotaro's continuity. But it's still official canon DB manga, developed by Toriyama. The main question of the thread is if SbG exist. And RoF manga is one the proofs that it does. I don't get this kind of people. I mean, someone writes "I onl...
by szopman
Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:20 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Does the Saiyan Beyond God exist?
Replies: 79
Views: 5777

Re: Does the Saiyan Beyond God exist?

It's a Manga, but it's not DBS's Manga adaptation, with Toyotaro's continuity. But it's still official canon DB manga, developed by Toriyama. The main question of the thread is if SbG exist. And RoF manga is one the proofs that it does. I don't get this kind of people. I mean, someone writes "I onl...
by szopman
Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:02 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Does the Saiyan Beyond God exist?
Replies: 79
Views: 5777

Re: Does the Saiyan Beyond God exist?

I follow the Manga canon, and in the manga, Goku achieves SS God with the ritual and retains the ability to achieve the form, without absorbing anything in base form. He only fough Beerus as a SS God. So, no, in the Manga, Saiyan beyond God doesn't exist. It goes: Base < SS < SS God < SS Blue < Per...
by szopman
Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:58 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Does the Saiyan Beyond God exist?
Replies: 79
Views: 5777

Re: Does the Saiyan Beyond God exist?

If Ultimate Gohan state is a separate form than his normal base, why couldn't SbG state exist on the same conditions ?
by szopman
Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:38 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Does the Saiyan Beyond God exist?
Replies: 79
Views: 5777

Re: Does the Saiyan Beyond God exist?

I follow the Manga canon, and in the manga, Goku achieves SS God with the ritual and retains the ability to achieve the form, without absorbing anything in base form. He only fough Beerus as a SS God. So, no, in the Manga, Saiyan beyond God doesn't exist. It goes: Base < SS < SS God < SS Blue < Per...
by szopman
Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:50 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: I want YOUR opinion of the Two-Base Theory
Replies: 196
Views: 12926

Re: I want YOUR opinion of the Two-Base Theory

I think that Gohan's Mystic transformation kind of confirmed the Two-Base Theory. I mean, his Mystic state is a transformation, not his ordinary base-form. He can even transform from SSJ2 to his Ultimate form. So we know that there is a possibility of having a normal base state and some kind of "sup...
by szopman
Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:41 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: What are all the things Super has contradicted or retconed from DBZ?
Replies: 36
Views: 2487

Re: What are all the things Super has contradicted or retconed from DBZ?

- You can now use the Time chamber as many times as you want. In DBZ it was stated you could only go in their twice a lifetime. I think it's because Dende rebuit it. I guess it's like with Dragon Balls, he didn't only rebuilt it, he also made some modifications :) - Gohan's Ultimate form is now a t...
by szopman
Thu May 25, 2017 3:06 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Kai
Topic: Does anyone here watch Kai in Japanese?
Replies: 112
Views: 56057

Re: Does anyone here watch Kai in Japanese?

I can't image watching DBKai (or any other DB series) with dub ;o ( Especially with english dub ! ) I always watch Kai in japanese with subtitles. I prefer watching Kai (with some Z fillers episodes that I really like) because the story is more straight, and of course I don't have to watch many bori...
by szopman
Tue May 02, 2017 5:50 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Two more levels to a Super Saiyan 4 theory
Replies: 28
Views: 2237

Re: Two more levels to a Super Saiyan 4 theory

I've always assumed that there are only 2 types of Saiyan transformations: 1) the fundamental levels, which are the evolution chain of SSJ transformations. They can't be ommited, and you have to master one to be able to reach another. That would be SSJ1, SSJ2, God, Blue, Golden Oozaru and SSJ4. 2) t...
by szopman
Tue May 02, 2017 5:44 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is Beerus' life linked to the younger or older Kaioshin?
Replies: 6
Views: 1218

Re: Is Beerus' life linked to the younger or older Kaioshin?

I'd say that he's linked to the both of them. Obviously he's linked to the younger, because when Future Kaioshin died, he did as well. But I think he was also linked to the Old Kai. I f he wasn't why would he seal him in the Z-Sword? What would be the point of doing so ? I guess he did that to save ...
by szopman
Tue May 02, 2017 4:32 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What stories will they have after the Tournament of Power?
Replies: 92
Views: 9334

Re: What stories will they have after the Tournament of Power?

Honestly, I think that this Saga should be the last DBS story-arc :) I don't really like the idea of making stories after EoZ (bacause I like GT as a series sequel). But, if this saga isn't the last one, I'd like to see: -Vegeta visiting planet Salad. Maybe with Trunks (and Goten) ? :) And of course...
by szopman
Mon May 01, 2017 2:23 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Two more levels to a Super Saiyan 4 theory
Replies: 28
Views: 2237

Re: Two more levels to a Super Saiyan 4 theory

The problem is that DBS retconned SSJ3. It's just an additional level, like USSJ. You don't really need to obtain this transformation to go further (Vegeta and Trunks didn't and went superior levels). + It's better to master SSJ2 (just like mastering SSJ1 is better than using USSJ). Moreover, betwee...
by szopman
Mon May 01, 2017 2:20 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Dragon Ball Z Movies placement on the timeline
Replies: 69
Views: 17273

Re: Dragon Ball Z Movies placement on the timeline

I'd say that Movie 1 fits the anime canon, which is obvious considering the Garlic Saga in DBZ. Movies 5,9 and 13 fit perfectly. Ok, maybe #13 not so much now, because of DBS episode with Bulma creating time machine. But still, it's just a little inconsistency. + Cooler was shown in GT :)) I also co...