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by Simere
Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:33 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"
Replies: 14246
Views: 909952

Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"

ricky84 wrote:Kale beating Broly (in a sequel film or later series) is the only plausible option that's neither predictable (MUI Goku, SSB Fusion) nor anticlimatic (Beerus, self-destruction).
The latter two, maybe, but what would be plausible about it?
by Simere
Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:26 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 31056
Views: 2211353

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Hit ask's Goku the meaning of overcoming the wall. Goku agrees that it's a transformation stronger than Blue. Being stronger than SSB doesn't have to mean UI, though. The wall is something he felt inside himself. He knew he was on the verge of something. He didn't know how to get through "the wall"...
by Simere
Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:35 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 31056
Views: 2211353

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Sigh, we would have less confrontations if people would actually be careful to read the story. In chapter 35 Goku admitted UI was a wall,like a transformation that would make him gain more power beyond MSSB. Roshi was simply telling Goku this chapter it's not all about raw power. Mastering oneself,...
by Simere
Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:55 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 31056
Views: 2211353

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

And why was Jiren blocking Roshi's attack, when full power (kind of kaio ken) ssj blue Goku didn't hurt him? Sigh, we would have less confrontations if people would actually be careful to read the story. In chapter 35 Goku admitted UI was a wall,like a transformation that would make him gain more p...
by Simere
Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:28 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"
Replies: 14246
Views: 909952

Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"

I want this movie to actually move the story along and not just be a simple big fight. The way the story advances in DB is by the characters progressing in strength. Beerus beating Broly would only maintain the status quo.
by Simere
Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:12 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?
Replies: 231
Views: 16644

Re: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?

It's shame for the old hermit that he's not young enough to take advantage of the health and vivacity of a person's physical prime. If he were a 20 something year old man once again being allowed to partake in these training regimens, who's to say how far he could go; maybe not with respect to raw ...
by Simere
Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:44 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?
Replies: 231
Views: 16644

Re: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?

OhHiRenan wrote:The complaints surrounding Roshi v Jiren are exemplary of the fandom at its absolute worst.
Yeah? What about this?
by Simere
Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:04 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 31056
Views: 2211353

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Technical fighting isn't in the showy techniques people like to label as "tactics", it's in the basics of things like angling and positioning and movement. We had every reason before this chapter to think Goku was a master of fundamentals. I get what you're saying, but I don't agree. I know a thing...
by Simere
Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:32 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?
Replies: 231
Views: 16644

Re: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?

I'm not sure what that would prove or disprove. At most, I'd say it just puts Whis' statement about overcoming any foe into question. It doesn't do much to alter his whole spiel about the nervous system and reaction speeds, though, which was my original point. Well, the nervous system spiel on its ...
by Simere
Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:49 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?
Replies: 231
Views: 16644

Re: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?

The gap between base and SSG was just as big as when he nullified the orb. "Base Goku" in UI isn't the "base Goku" that we (kind of) know, it would be base Goku utilizing power as we've never seen him do it before. That could theoretically make him more effective than SSB. Does that strain your cred...
by Simere
Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:31 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 31056
Views: 2211353

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Moving goalposts much. You said that before this chapter we had no reason to believe that Goku doesn't need to practice the fundamentals, and I provided you with an example. "Well it's bad anyway" isn't an argument. You tried equating Migatte no Goku'i with fundamentals, and you brought up one exam...
by Simere
Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:22 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?
Replies: 231
Views: 16644

Re: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?

How did it make an exhausted base Goku capable of moving fast enough to dodge Super Saiyan 2 Kefla? How did it make him capable of moving fast enough to dodge Jiren at full power? The answer has to be that base Goku has it in him. Remember when he nullified Beerus's orb at the end of the BoG fight ...
by Simere
Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:12 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 31056
Views: 2211353

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Except for the fact that Goku asked Whis to give him a special lesson on Ultra Instinct and Whis told Goku that he still needs to work on the basics. Goku has been characterized as a bad student and someone who loses sight of the basics since the beginning of the arc. No, not except for. Ultra Inst...
by Simere
Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:01 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?
Replies: 231
Views: 16644

Re: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?

Bully for the power scale. Par for the course means it's to be expected which, I assure you, I do.
by Simere
Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:59 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 31056
Views: 2211353

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

1. Goku isn't a dummy that relies 100% on power, but he isn't exactly a technical fighter either. Technical fighting isn't in the showy techniques people like to label as "tactics", it's in the basics of things like angling and positioning and movement. We had every reason before this chapter to th...
by Simere
Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:30 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?
Replies: 231
Views: 16644

Re: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?

People are mad that a weak character dodged a few attacks before being eliminated by being lightly karate chopped. This is power level mania. You forgot to mention that said weak character used a pseudo version of a technique that circumvents conscious reaction times, so the gap in speed shouldn't ...
by Simere
Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:02 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 31056
Views: 2211353

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

I'm not too sure Toyotaro's rushing to be done by/for Broly. Remember when people thought he was rushing the Black arc to get the ToP and then he spent forever on the climax? One of the more awesome chapters?! Are you shitting me? To each their own. Gohan vs Kefla was the least offensive thing imo, ...
by Simere
Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:43 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?
Replies: 231
Views: 16644

Re: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?

It's not bad. Contrived? Probably. But bad? Not by any means unless you follow power levels strictly. I love the fact that Roshi got to show his stuff off in a way that suits him. Like Whis says, with age comes wisdom, and he knows what it takes to tap into UI if he were trained by an Angel at the ...
by Simere
Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:01 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 31056
Views: 2211353

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

He did the exact same thing against Vegeta and Freeza, wreck his body when nothing else works because the opponent is far too strong. He did something similar against Pure Boo by using a form which is detrimental and not attaining victory when he should. Goku's incredibly flawed, which doesn't take...
by Simere
Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:46 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 31056
Views: 2211353

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Which absolutely makes sense. Those foes were probably that strong exactly because they were martial artists. Even Raditz was telling Goku he would need more training to keep up with him. Freeza was keeping up with Goku even after he turned into a Super Saiyan. Goku beat Piccolo because he was a sl...