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by Simere
Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:26 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 32390
Views: 2469621

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Your math problem comparison doesn't work cause Goku already knew the answer [UI] to his problem but didn't know how to achieve it. This was proved when Goku concluded with "right" after Jiren stated that there is "nothing left on the table for him." Meaning, both Goku and Jiren conclude in that st...
by Simere
Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:30 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 32390
Views: 2469621

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

You still lack context and keep assuming. If UI wasn't something Goku was thinking about since chapter 35, why confirm to Jiren this was the wall he was preaching about when needlessly powering up to attain it? Well, first of all, he said "probably". What am I assuming? He would say that because it...
by Simere
Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:30 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 32390
Views: 2469621

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

If Goku didn't know what the wall was why did he say it's the only option for everyone to defeat Jiren? He knew what the wall was , he just didn't know how to attain it. This is where Roshi comes in to show him the way. Because he just got beaten easily and knows he's not strong enough, and he thin...
by Simere
Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:18 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 32390
Views: 2469621

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

U forgot the conclusion, that Goku himself confirmed This was the wall he needed to overcome to Jiren. The whole point was Goku tried to access UI by power increase but it was through spiritual means, like Whis and the rest taught him on how to achieve it. I'm not forgetting. That was my first sent...
by Simere
Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:13 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 32390
Views: 2469621

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Except Jiren confirms that Goku overcame his wall when he reached UI. Goku confirmed that beyond the wall was UI before he reached UI. That doesn't mean his goal was UI the entire time. Yeah, the manga's been building up to UI as the next level, but that still doesn't mean Goku knew it. "What I nee...
by Simere
Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:33 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"
Replies: 14400
Views: 1019369

Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"

ricky84 wrote:Kale beating Broly (in a sequel film or later series) is the only plausible option that's neither predictable (MUI Goku, SSB Fusion) nor anticlimatic (Beerus, self-destruction).
The latter two, maybe, but what would be plausible about it?
by Simere
Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:26 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 32390
Views: 2469621

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Hit ask's Goku the meaning of overcoming the wall. Goku agrees that it's a transformation stronger than Blue. Being stronger than SSB doesn't have to mean UI, though. The wall is something he felt inside himself. He knew he was on the verge of something. He didn't know how to get through "the wall"...
by Simere
Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:35 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 32390
Views: 2469621

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Sigh, we would have less confrontations if people would actually be careful to read the story. In chapter 35 Goku admitted UI was a wall,like a transformation that would make him gain more power beyond MSSB. Roshi was simply telling Goku this chapter it's not all about raw power. Mastering oneself,...
by Simere
Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:55 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 32390
Views: 2469621

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

And why was Jiren blocking Roshi's attack, when full power (kind of kaio ken) ssj blue Goku didn't hurt him? Sigh, we would have less confrontations if people would actually be careful to read the story. In chapter 35 Goku admitted UI was a wall,like a transformation that would make him gain more p...
by Simere
Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:28 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"
Replies: 14400
Views: 1019369

Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"

I want this movie to actually move the story along and not just be a simple big fight. The way the story advances in DB is by the characters progressing in strength. Beerus beating Broly would only maintain the status quo.
by Simere
Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:12 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?
Replies: 231
Views: 19001

Re: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?

It's shame for the old hermit that he's not young enough to take advantage of the health and vivacity of a person's physical prime. If he were a 20 something year old man once again being allowed to partake in these training regimens, who's to say how far he could go; maybe not with respect to raw ...
by Simere
Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:44 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?
Replies: 231
Views: 19001

Re: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?

OhHiRenan wrote:The complaints surrounding Roshi v Jiren are exemplary of the fandom at its absolute worst.
Yeah? What about this?
by Simere
Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:04 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 32390
Views: 2469621

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Technical fighting isn't in the showy techniques people like to label as "tactics", it's in the basics of things like angling and positioning and movement. We had every reason before this chapter to think Goku was a master of fundamentals. I get what you're saying, but I don't agree. I know a thing...
by Simere
Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:32 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?
Replies: 231
Views: 19001

Re: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?

I'm not sure what that would prove or disprove. At most, I'd say it just puts Whis' statement about overcoming any foe into question. It doesn't do much to alter his whole spiel about the nervous system and reaction speeds, though, which was my original point. Well, the nervous system spiel on its ...
by Simere
Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:49 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?
Replies: 231
Views: 19001

Re: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?

The gap between base and SSG was just as big as when he nullified the orb. "Base Goku" in UI isn't the "base Goku" that we (kind of) know, it would be base Goku utilizing power as we've never seen him do it before. That could theoretically make him more effective than SSB. Does that strain your cred...
by Simere
Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:31 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 32390
Views: 2469621

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Moving goalposts much. You said that before this chapter we had no reason to believe that Goku doesn't need to practice the fundamentals, and I provided you with an example. "Well it's bad anyway" isn't an argument. You tried equating Migatte no Goku'i with fundamentals, and you brought up one exam...
by Simere
Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:22 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?
Replies: 231
Views: 19001

Re: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?

How did it make an exhausted base Goku capable of moving fast enough to dodge Super Saiyan 2 Kefla? How did it make him capable of moving fast enough to dodge Jiren at full power? The answer has to be that base Goku has it in him. Remember when he nullified Beerus's orb at the end of the BoG fight ...
by Simere
Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:12 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 32390
Views: 2469621

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Except for the fact that Goku asked Whis to give him a special lesson on Ultra Instinct and Whis told Goku that he still needs to work on the basics. Goku has been characterized as a bad student and someone who loses sight of the basics since the beginning of the arc. No, not except for. Ultra Inst...
by Simere
Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:01 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?
Replies: 231
Views: 19001

Re: Can someone explain to me why Roshi vs Jiren is bad?

Bully for the power scale. Par for the course means it's to be expected which, I assure you, I do.
by Simere
Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:59 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 32390
Views: 2469621

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

1. Goku isn't a dummy that relies 100% on power, but he isn't exactly a technical fighter either. Technical fighting isn't in the showy techniques people like to label as "tactics", it's in the basics of things like angling and positioning and movement. We had every reason before this chapter to th...